i understand this completely, so why drob cant play de? i think he can take up 2 blockers, or if he is left 1on1 with a tackle he can beat him, he has a great burst and can collapse the pocket and blow up running plays, plus a guy like that usually goes foward at the snap, which will create more space for rushing linebackers, especially ILB like david the hit man harris
Part of the problem, besides his physical limitations I've already pointed out, is he would be the 3rd best 3-4 DE on our team, with a cap hit of 12m.
Sorry to break this to ya, Bud, but dogs are not the same as humans.... Take a 6'7" man against a 6'1" man and believe it or not, that taller man WILL get his hands on the shorter man WAY before the shorter man has a chance to get in close. Once the taller man (offensive lineman) has that long of an extension of a shorter man, low center of gravity (as you argued) doesn't mean jack shit. Plain and simple - if an O-lineman with a much longer reach gets his hands on a D-lineman, the D-lineman is effectively.....ineffective. Especially if it's a tackle who is used to and has been conditioned to outside pass blocking as opposed to the normal "hold-your'ground" or "mauler" type blockers D-Rob has become accustomed to. My point.....D-Rob + DE = terrible
Watch the latest russian's HW title fight to prove your explaination. He was the rott in the ring with a pit, and the pit maybe made contact 9 times. It was never even close.
drob has never taken on tackles in his career, so until he does we wont really know, the problem is that its not worth 8.4 million to find out while we have potential free agents or future draft to picks to make up for him, and kenyon coleman and ellis will be far more productive with jenkins in the middle, i just think it would be intresting to see if it would work
"Interesting to see if it would work" for 12m in 2008 vs. a couple draft picks. I'll take the latter.
i said its not worth it, it would be intriguing though, i would rather trade him inmho, but if we resstructure which may very well happen if we dont get good value for him, i hope he can prove the conventional wisdom wrong
Hey, if he restructures and proves me wrong, Me = Happiest person out there. Coventional wisdom has the edge at the moment though.
Ok I understand that, but where does height come in to play? The DE is not trying to get around the OT. Robertson's height is a mute point when it comes to DE. And I dont think anyone here is in favor of keeping DRob if his cap number is over $12 million. Renegotiate his contract, and keep him at DE.
No man. In the 3-4 the DE is supposed to F up passing lanes. DRob may have the potential to abuse some OT's, but he'll never disrupt passing lanes with his hands.
Tell me, how often do you see a DE in the 3-4 have his hands in the air trying to disrupt passing lanes? Thats his 3rd or 4th job. His job is to clog his gaps, which means his hands are locked up. Am I wrong here?
When was the last time DRob batted down a ball? I seriously like the guy, but the knees, etc. I just want whats best for the Jets.
Exactly. I can understand DRob at DE in certain situations, but I just don't like the guy as a starting 3-4 DE. I'm not very football talk savvy, but you can't ignore the height trends in 3-4 DE's. So then just ask yourself why that might be significant. Height allows better leverage against tackles, and since the DE must free up the linebackers he's probably looking to tie up tackles. Another thing is that long arms allow him to annoy both the tackle and the G, and as he (hopefully) collapses the pocket he can attempt to shoot the gap, reach up and bat down a pass, or reach out and go for the sack. Think about why it's better for the NT to be short and stout. He's lined up right in front of the C or maybe shaded in either direction, and G's and C's aren't as tall and long as T's. That short, stout build immediately allows leverage on the C and almost immediately means the C will need help. So if height is significant for the NT position based on the fact that he's facing the shorter, less rangy part of the OL, then why wouldn't it be significant for the guys facing the taller, rangier parts?
I also want the best thing for the Jets, and I think thats DRob at DE. I dont think Kenyon Coleman is the answer, I dont like his play. I remember seeing bad play after bad play by Coleman last season.
Examples? I thought Coleman played great this year. He was one of our best pickups in FA. I posted his stats in another thread, but he had like 80 tackles in 2007, and that's with taking up 1-2 blockers. What more do you want from a 3-4 DE.
Stats almost mean nothing when it comes to DE's in the 3-4. But tell me this, how many tackles did he have behind the line last season? I think the answer to that is 2, I might be wrong but its for sure under 5. Most of Coleman's tackles were 3 to 5 yards down the field, not what you want to be seeing. EDIT: Coleman had 1.5 tackles behind the line last season. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/stats?team=nyj Thats a joke.
