Rex Ryan = Herm Edwards

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  1. 101GangGreen101

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    Man this feels like forever ago. We had a great all-around team back in 2010. Too bad we shit the bed the next week
     
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    I'll compare Rex to a better version of mike singletary during his tenure with the 49ers.

    Likeable guy, players played hard for him, and provided a spark for their teams early but their flaws and defincies became evident by season 3.

    Unlike singletary who completely sucked by his 3rd season the potential is there with Rex but he needs to stop being so damn stubborn and making the same mistakes over and over again. Rex got a 2 season pass for doing a great job his first 2 seasons with a better team, his flaws have been seen with a worse team.

    Next season he needs to do his best job coaching the team and whoever he has and if he can't do it then he should be gone. I see the potential there in him but ultimately I see next season being his last, he'll go somewhere else and do a great job as a defensive coordinator for a season or 2, learn from his mistakes and flaws as a head coach and do a better overall job next time he gets a head coaching job. That's how I see it playing out imo
     
  3. Jon_Snow

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    That's a very good comparison.
     
  4. 94Abraham

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    and they both will be on the streets after next year. simply amazing....
     
  5. Hobbes3259

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    Pretty good point. You have to allow a coach to grow. And a QB too. Neither has been served well by being saddled with shitty OCs.

    That's what makes the Flynn talk hilarious. Guy played in Green Bay. His completion percentage s about 5 points over Sanchez.

    Remind me again how many points Aaron Rodgers hung on the Jets D?

    A decent OC and this is a 12 win team.

    Now that's funny.
     
  6. CasinoBlitz

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    Was reading up on the Patriots-Ravens game on ESPN Boston Blog since I respect Mike Reiss for being objective most of the time and came across this. Thought it was worthy of posting in this topic.

    Can't post links b/c of my low post count but it's on ESPN Boston Blog

    So basically since Rex Ryan got here in 2009 (because Brady missed 08 with his torn knee) the Jets have been the toughest defense for him to go up against. I attribute almost all of that to Rex Ryan.
    He's always been able to frustrate and contain Brady better than most. I remember that 2007 game in Baltimore where the Pats should have lost their perfect season. In addition to Ray and Ed Reed "playing for Sean Taylor," Rex's defense was absolutely phenomenal against an offense that set numerous records.

    This is one of the main reasons I do not want to let Rex Ryan go. Tom Brady is 17-5 in the regular season vs the Jets. 2 of those 5 losses are to Rex Ryan's Jets from 2009 and 2010. And the Jets easily could have won the 23-20 OT game from earlier in 2012. Rex also went into Foxboro in the playoffs and beat the #1 seeded Pats.

    Geez, imagine you gave Rex a freakin average QB who can exploit that Pats suspect defense?
     
  7. 94Abraham

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    You're stats are very misleading and very skewed to the first two years he has been here. The last two years Brady has literally torched Ryans defenses. Its all smoke and mirrors now. One could argue that Rex is partially to blame for some of the inept QB play we've seen for years now....
     
  8. ArmandJ

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    3 out of 4 of Rex's games with the Patriots, Brady did torch us.

    However, he didn't torch us the first game AT New England.

    We hurt ourselves more with the home game against New England with the butt fumble, the special teams turnover, and Bart Scott being woefully slow.
     
  9. CasinoBlitz

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    I thought the Jets did a decent job vs Brady this year considering their personnel: No Revis, slow LB's like Bart Scott who can't cover, no pass rush from guys like Pace and Thomas.

    I thought the Jets did a pretty good job of making Brady uncomfortable all day in the 23-20 game in Foxboro until late in the 4th quarter and OT when Rex Ryan inexplicably went to a soft prevent defense, which goes against everything he preaches. Also thought that the Thanksgiving Day Massacre was more of the Jets shooting themselves in the foot on numerous occasions. It was a scoreless game (tied at 0-0) after the first quarter (remarkable, isn't it?) Bart Scott's inability to even be in the same area code as Shane Vereen started that disastrous run of events.

    I would contend that some of that has to do with the personnel on both sides. In 2009 and the first game of 2010, the Pats offense was centered more around the WR's since they had Randy Moss. Brady and Belichick's ego led them to try to force feed the ball to Moss to often, which played into the Jets' hands since Randy is a one dimensional fly route type of guy.

    Since the Pats offense has shifted to more of the 2 TE variety, the Jets have had a much tougher time matching up. They just don't have the personnel to really matchup with Gronk and Hernandez. Their strength at CB with Cro and Revis isn't as valuable vs the TE-centric Pats offense because Eric Smith is awful and Bart Scott and Calvin Pace are trash.

    That's why I loved the Landry signing. I thought he did a pretty good job when he was asked to cover Gronk a few times. Even on that TD he gave up in NE, he had pretty damn good coverage it was just a fantastic throw and great catch.

    For all the complaining people do about the offense, I think it's just as imperative to get Rex some actual players on the defensive side of the ball if we're ever going to take down NE. An infusion of youth, speed, coverage ability and pass rushing are absolutely critical at LB and safety (if we lose Landry).

    I look at Seattle and San Fran defenses as the type of defense we need to get back to. We have two great man coverage corners on the outside like Seattle with Sherman and Browner. We have a physical enforcer who can hold his own in coverage and blitz in Landry who I liken to Kam Chancellor. It'd be ideal for us to have more of a ball hawk FS like Goldson or Earl Thomas rather than Bell, although I liked what Bell did for us this year, but our secondary is pretty close when you line it up with these two teams.

    Where we are desperately lacking is in the pass rushing department and in the coverage department at LB. Patrick Willis and Navorro Bowman on SF, Bobby Wagner and even KJ Wright in Seattle. LB's with speed, range, athleticism, and good coverage ability. Pass rushers Chris Clemons and Bruce Irvin in Seattle, Aldon Smith/Ahmad Brooks/Justin Smith on the San Fran front line.

    We have two promising interior pass rushers in Coples and Wilkerson, but desperately need a guy like Aldon Smith or Clemons off the edge (who doesnt?). And our ILB's are a mess in coverage. Willis, Bowman, Wagner can all fly and make plays on the ball. For us, Harris is limited in coverage, Scott is abhorrent, and hopefully Demario Davis pans out but who knows.

    That's why I desperately want Ogletree from Georgia. He can pretty much play any LB spot and offers you coverage ability and pass rush if you want to move him outside, kind of like how Von Miller lines up all over the place for Denver. I'm not saying he's going to be the pass rusher Miller is, but he has similar versatility and a bunch of great tools. The one complaint about Ogletree is his ability to consistently play the run and get off blocks. Some of the same things were said about Daryl Washington and Bobby Wagner, but that's what these new age LB's are - lighter, faster, more range, better coverage ability - and that's what we need desperately.
     
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