I don't know anything about designing football plays, so somebody help me out here. Couldn't the coaching staff be designing an offensive strategy that is based on Justin Fields ability to run? Make his running a central part of the offense. Is that possible? Rex Ryan planned a game where the Jets did nothing but run and they didn't have a QB that could run like Fields.
Yes, there ARE plays, in fact an entire playbook, with nothing but runs. I mean, seriously, bootlegs, toss sweeps, RPO's... Hell, while it's not something you could use much more than in 1 or 2 games but they could open up playbooks from the 50's, 60's and 70's that would be so old NO ONE would even know what they were seeing until it was too late. There are all kinds of options. Basically boils down to how creative Tanner could get.
Agreed. In that critical play where Fields threw late, the ball was still in his hands. You have to hold on to it. If he does we probably win. The fumble that thankfully was ruled as incomplete is another example where he has to hold on to the ball. In the first game too, that 4th down, though he got nailed, he did have the ball, and I have seen many times WRs holding on. Of course, he is an amazing player and a true WR1, but certainly there were some critical plays where can also do better.
Definitely no one would do worse than Fields last game, but Tyrod wasn't exactly great either against TB. He gifted them 7 points with pick 6. People pointed out Fields garbage time scoring - and Tyrod also scored only at the very end. And this is on top of giving them 7 points on a TO, which we cant afford to do. So to me, given the options, I am good with AG starting Fields, but keeping short leash against Carolina. If he does the same shit as last time, then bring Tyrod in sooner rather than later.
is it worth it though, mezz? yeah they could throw out the playbook, run some gimmicky thing, let Fields do his thing like the Bears did for a little while. -- But the Bears did not win when they did that. And we are talking about throwing out the playbook to accommodate Justin Fields. Not the 10 other guys that will be playing with a different QB next season and need to learn how to play an NFL offense. The whole idea here was that Fields came relatively cheap and we had dreams of him being a late developer. He's not developing - thats on Fields, not everyone else to change. I think they should just bench him. the experiment failed.
Therein sits the conundrum. I have to agree with you, AG HAS to start Taylor, or have a QUICK hook of Fields in the Carolina game or he'll lose the locker room for sure and no amount of "being a rookie HC" will save him, regardless of all the other stuff. Moog should already be pounding the pavement for another QB to bring onboard just in case. Fields is actually regressing from what looked like a promising start in the Pitt game. Had he been able to build on that we "might" be somewhere. Unfortunately, it's pretty clear that all the hope in the world isn't going to improve Fields, ala Darnold etc. I guess it depends on whether or not they actually want to win games. You go rogue and gimmicky if you want 3 or 4 wins. However, I'm with you. Keep pressing the playbook so the other 10 are gaining knowledge and experience so that WHEN a serviceable QB is put back there they can resemble some sort of NFL offense. All my ranting etc. aside, I'm not certain WHAT kind of offensive coaching staff we have until they have the players that can execute the game plan. They are soooooo hamstrung by Fields inability to throw a mere 10 yards in any form of consistent manner. I mean, hell, that IS the west coast offense.5-10 yd pass plays then let your guys use their skills. But if you can't even get Fields to accurately throw in that range, what the hell do you have? <sigh> This never ending hunt for a QB has to end somewhere. While it would seem the college kids are coming "back to earth" there are a few guys in the league who are opening some eyes. Mac Jones in San Fran, if he doesn't get his legs ripped off before Purdy gets back. Hell, Wentz is even having success. I'll absolutely rip my face off if Mac Jones goes down and Martinez steps in and does well. I guess we'll see.
IMO. Tanner can only do so much with Fields there. Run or no run he is horrible in shot gun formations, he can’t process information fast enough, and in roll outs, unless the first option is open, he can’t see the second option till is two late. There is no winning game plan that fits JF.
To be perfectly frank, I'm kind of surprised Fields did as well as he did at Ohio St. Seriously, even at the college level, you still have to "somewhat" read defenses and this kid simply doesn't have it. You can actually SEE him attempt to go through the progressions and he spends a solid 2 seconds on each read. On read number 2 at the 3rd second, he's eating the grass... He simply isn't going to get 3 & 4 seconds on every play. Now, throw "gun shy" on top of it. Yeah, this kid has a LOT of pine riding in his future. He's simply got too many physical tools to be completely done in the league...yet...but, wherever he lands in 2026, it needs to come with the understanding that he's at the BEGINNING of a 3 yr. reclamation project. That, of course, is only if he goes to a QB guru like McVay, McConnell or Shanahan.
Tanner's game plan for last game was atrocious. This was full Hackett. He was as bad an OC as Fields was a QB. No screen passes, always compact, no rollouts, no play action. Predictable and terrible. Was this the first time in his career that Breece didn't get targeted? And btw, Kurt Warner did the analysis of this game, and it does not look like WRs were running wide open either as some on Jets twitter posted. My view on both him and Fields plummeted after this game. I don't remember MILF being that bad. I still have some hope in Tanner, as he was better before, rookie OC, etc... But he needs to get his shit together just like AG and Wilks.
Fields is so bad that once he loses the job I think he should be cut and I think it's likely no other team would pick him up. Once he loses the job I don't want him to be the #2 QB I don't want to see him on the field for the Jets again. Make Martinez the #2. Fields isn't a QB not a real one. He's not a RB. He's a waste of a roster spot. The team needs help at other areas. I realize the Jets wouldn't do this but it's what they should do.
The strangest thing about the Jets love affair with Fields is since they brought him in they've almost behaved as if they were the ones who drafted him in the first round this year. Coddled him, gifted him everything. On draft day they passed up all the rookie QBs because they were all in on Fields. What the ... This past Sunday to leave him in the game almost as if they don't want to bench him to not ruin his confidence but this fn guy is a veteran on his third team in three seasons he's not a rookie QB not our rookie QB. I don't get it.
Unfortunately, Martinez currently sits as the #3 on San Francisco's roster getting professional QB coaching. My guess is, by the end of 2025 he'll be looking a lot better than when he was with NY.
Yes,I agree, game plan was insipid, but let’s be fair.The few times he has called a screen in the past JF was simply awful, high and away placing the receiver in harms way and totally out of position. Roll outs yes, totally agree, but same story, if he can’t find the primary target open is panicking mode. I saw plenty of times the receiver rout was clean and JF was hesitant to throw on rhythm. Warner as nice as he is could not help but point how shitty J F was, even incapable to throw the ball away. I want to see what the OC can do with a real QB and WRs. Field was beyond bad. AG should have yanked JF out, we would have won the game hands down with the same game plan.
Warner did the analysis post game too looking all 22, you can read his tweets. Basically his point was that Fields sucked but not as bad as Jets fans twitter who blamed all on Fields and there was a lot of problems with the OC. Even pointed out specific plays where people blamed Fields, but were completely wrong. I am sure @Ralebird would like this one where a HoF QB, who one of the best at film study completely dunked on Nania: https://x.com/kurt13warner/status/1978008198247526649 . The bottom line is this: Fields was awful. And Tanner was awful. Last Year Arthur Smith did better with Fields than what Tanner is doing now. And Arthur Smith is not considered a top offensive mind. Plus Tanner had a game with Tyrod, which also went similarly to other Fields' games. So, no, I am not excusing Tanner at all. Fields may be a bust, but Tanner needs to do better too. Right now my default position is that all these guys, Coaches and QBs, need to be replaced this offseason. I am hoping to see something different soon to have some hope that can change my mind, but right now it just doesn't look good on all fronts.
