They said something along the line of the fact that they must look for two things on a fumble. 1) If it was a fumble or not which was clear that it was a fumble and 2) who the ball was recovered by which wasn't clear because the whistle was blown so by default the offense will recover the ball @ the 1 yard line.
On the first one, you have an outdated rule book. There is no completion given due to a player forced out before he gets two feet down anymore. They got rid of that last year. On the 2nd, I agree. The whistle definitely should have been blown.
The Steelers outplayed Miami. However, San Diego and Buffalo outplayed NE and Baltimore. The Ravens game was the worst I feel. That strip in OT was BS. Definitely forward progress stopped. It was like the refs were waiting for the strip. Pathetic.
I know the Steelers won, but at least the Fins lost. They were starting to get hot too. Having two games on them basically puts them out of the picture. Also, not winning any at home hurts them a lot.
I take issue with the Ray Lewis play for one reason. All over the NFL today refs were blowing quick whistles - undoubtedly trying to eliminate the specific type of play that would set up a player for a big hit. With the Ravens play the Bills player was clearly stopped , lifted off the ground and held and then Lewis strips the ball. Under normal circumstances , that plays blown dead, but today going by other games the whistle should have blown at least 5 seconds earlier. Also is SD , although SD killed themselves , I didn't see a clear replay that showed SD's illegal motion.
Go back and watch the replay. The play probably would have been whistled dead, but the Bills o-linemen were pushing the pile forward. If they didn't do that, the play is over.
Okay, that was a decent explanation by the referee. I write "decent" as opposed to "good" because I didn't think it was too hard to see that Miami recovered the fumble. So the whole bit about the ref not being able to determine who recovered the ball was unnecessary on his part. I think it is irrelevant as to who recovered the fumble because the whistle was blown when the play was called a touchdown which effectively made it a dead ball. Bum deal for the Dolphins. I hate these types of plays. Look at this- (note: A.R. stands for Approved Ruling. Approved rulings are basically examples that supplement and illustrate the basic rules. "A" indicates the offensive team and "B" indicates the defensive team.) Rule 7, Article 2, A.R. 7.37 Second-and-goal on B2. Runner A1 goes to the line of scrimmage where he is tackled and fumbles. The ball rolls into the end zone when the Referee inadvertently blows his whistle as the ball is loose in the end zone. Defense then falls on the ball. Ruling: A's ball second-and-goal on B2 (inadvertent whistle). If the play was not initially called a touchdown and no whistle blew, I betcha the ruling on the field would have been a fumble recovery by the Dolphins.
I absolutely do not have an outdated rule book. Use some common sense, please. I would not been doing this if I was operating with a 2009 or 2007 or 1982 rule book. Addendum- again, the Corner play today was very similar to a catch made by Holmes last week. It is theortically possible for a player to catch a ball 15 feet from a boundary line and get carried all the way out of bounds and never have any body part touch down inbounds. In such an extreme case, the play would be declared a completed pass or interception. This is what happened to Corner today. The force out type of play that others are confused about is when a guy catches a pass right at a boundary line and is forced out. Corner caught the ball about four yards from the end line and was carried out of bounds while on top of another player. If I can be proven wrong about this whole thing, then I'll take that. The insults about me being an idiot with an outdated rule book won't be tolerated, though. I'm making a list and I'll be checking it twice.
First of all, let's all concede Cakes is a huuuuuge rule-book dork. The dude's up-to-date. So here's the question, Cakes: is the rule you posted essentially the "force-out" rule, or is there a difference between the two? In other words, please explain why the rule you posted is not "the force-out rule."
If the Patriots look touchable then the Jets must also. Both teams 5-1. Patriots blew out Miami and beat a Ravens team that the Jets lost to. Both teams dodged a bullet out West. Realistic Jets fans realize they were lucky to win in Denver. That's what good teams do though, they take advantage of opportunities. Think what you want, AFC East will be won by the Jets/Pats winner in Foxboro.
I offered my explanation in the addendum in my prior post. I do not believe the force out rule applied because Corner was actually carried out of bounds by Boldin while on top of Boldin. It would have been a force out if Corner caught the ball while standing upright and then was pushed out by Boldin. I would like to hear something from the league on this play because I am not 100% clear on it myself. I am particularly interested in the fact that Boldin was on the ground and Corner was on top of him with full possession of the ball. Is Corner down at that point? You know what I mean? Why is he not down at that very moment?
I knew as soon as saw the replay that it would be Pitt ball on the one-inch line. The play was essentially declared dead on the "touchdown" whistle. The insulting thing here is that Steratore (sp?) didn't on up to it. He made it sound as if the replay didn't show the Dolphins with possession, but even if it had, the refs would not be able to award Miami the ball because Steratore himself blew the play dead at the moment of the fumble. The fidgety little douche looked uncomfortable as hell explaining the ruling because he didn't want to own up to the mistake. This is a very, very similar situation to the Ed Hochuli Broncos-Chargers call a couple years ago. The only difference is that Hochuli had the stones to say "I fucked up, made an assumption and blew a live ball dead. My bad; Broncos ball."
Man the Bills got screwed! BTW is Fitzgerald actually a QB -.-"? Please tells me he performs so well the Bills decide he's theis franchise QB.
I wish these sorts of plays were not declared touchdowns on the field as often as they seem to be. It would be nice if refs used more caution. If you are unsure, call the guy down at the 1. It could always be reviewed either through a coach's challenge or booth review if under 2:00. More problems are caused when plays are called TDs when they are not than vice versa.
Force out is much different then carried out of bounds. Force out is what Jim leonhard tried to do when he was called for the penalty Carried out is similar to what happened to santonio holmes, where the defensive player caught him and tried to carry him out of bounds. If a defensive player catches you and carries you (Not force, carries in some form) out of bounds, it's ruled a catch or interception at the spot you were carried out of bounds. Situation A: Players LO and MB go up for a jump ball. MB catches the ball mid air, but is pushed out of bounds while mid air by LO, that's a force out Situation B: Players CD and BP, BP jumps to make the catch, but lands awkwardly in CD's arms, and CD brings BP out of bounds without BP ever touching the ground. That's a carry-out.
