Quenton Coples...he gets no respect

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  1. Jeti

    Jeti Well-Known Member

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    we do which is why I'm getting annoyed seeing this change to the 4-3 mess

    an edge rusher is an edge rusher however Coples playing 3-4 OLB allows him to utilize his run defense skills much better than he would in a 4-3 with his hand in the dirt EVERY snap

    Rex mixes it up more often than not, we're just too into semantics to notice that
     
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  2. Jeti

    Jeti Well-Known Member

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    Rex is responsible for 6 of them

    Sheppard was ass so we traded for Cro
    Ellis/Pace/Thomas/Gholston were inherited
    Maybin did nothing
    Babin sucks
    Pryce was from Baltimore
    Landry left

    what about guys like Antonio Allen, Demario Davis, David Harris, Damon Harrison, Leger Douzable, Kenrick Ellis, Mike DeVito, Sione Pouha

    he gets it done with less just as he does with more but ultimately you can only scheme but so much, talent still trumps all

    ask Chip Kelly and Bruce Arians right now
     
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    SienaSaints Well-Known Member

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    Harrison probably wouldn't be on the team.

    Hoping that Atlanta makes the playoffs and then we can tender Harrison and when Rex is their coach they'll give up a pick for him.
     
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  4. James Hasty

    James Hasty Well-Known Member

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    Rex is responsible for all of them just like he is responsible for our offense sucking badly. As the head coach of this team it does not matter if he inherited the players, if they sucked, etc. The fact is that in addition to extremely talented players like David Harris, Jason Taylor, Bart Scott and others that were not taken in the first round that Rex had the benefit of 17 players talented enough to be drafted in the first round on his defenses over a short six year period.

    Many NFL coaches have done so much more with so much less talent. Most of our groceries have been used for the defense which has been spotty at best. A defensive genius should be able to succeed without all stars at every position.
     
  5. Clark Gaines

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    This is a joke, right?! Shouldn't this read, "Rex had the benefit of 17 players talented enough to be drafted in the first round--of a previous decade's drafts--on his defenses..." Jason Taylor retired soon after, Bart Scott immediately after. Davis Harris can't really cover a receiver not named John Conner. I mean, c'mon. There are plenty of things to berate Rex Ryan for. Saying he didn't do enough with the "talent" he had seems absurd.

    You're right. He's responsible for the record. He's NOT responsible for the lack of talent or the erosion of talent from the time he arrived until now. Or the whiffs in the Draft and Free Agency.
     
  6. Pocket Jet

    Pocket Jet Well-Known Member

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    Beg to differ... the head Coach is involved in the decision making process of this. The GM may have the final or veto power, but the Head Coach is heavily involved in the selection process. The entire front office, Rex included, get an F on this report card.
     
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  7. Clark Gaines

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    How involved is completely anyone's speculation. In the end, they require the GM to make the selection. The GM has final say, not the other way around. and the scouting department is responsible for compiling reports on the players they are considering. Yeah, a head coach's opinion matters, just as a captain's opinion matters to a general. But the buck ultimately rests on the GM for player acquisition and draft selection. Or are you saying that Rex was the orchestrator of NOT taking Revis or some other credible CB in FA, for example?
     
  8. Pocket Jet

    Pocket Jet Well-Known Member

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    No, not saying that at all. I will not blame him entirely, as I said, he is on the committee. The GM is supposed to be the final say. Not disagreeing with you. I feel they are all to blame in this serious default.
    By the way, I enjoy the back and forth with you.
     
  9. Clark Gaines

    Clark Gaines Banned

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    Whew, I'm glad. Sometimes I get a little carried away on the harsh-o-meter. nothing personal.

    I think Rex Ryan may have been TOO LARGE a persona for the GMs to handle, well, at least Tannenbaum. But, seriously, this last post season was absolutely terrible...from the CB free agent fiasco to the WR whiff where Idzik had resources to secure a speed-WR and wasted several picks on crappy WRs who mostly aren't even on the team.

    I'm NOT an Idzik fan. I think Rex Ryan's mojo is over, but at least he had one. Idzik has no mojo and seems focused on getting bargains vs. getting elite talent.
     
  10. Laszlo Kovacs

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    I love that Coples hits like a truck, but had also hoped for more production from him.
     
  11. Pocket Jet

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    I second that motion!
     
  12. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    It seems that he falls into rocking back at the snap of the ball before pushing up field. This takes away a critical second oor two from his pass rush. He also doesn't get his hands up and let's the tackles get into his body whereas in a three point stance his first natural movement is forward where he can extend his arms if engaged right away.
     
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    He's good in certain parts of the game but for a first round pick he's been a little dissapointing
     
  14. dmatt36

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    It's tough because the way we run our defense all the sacks are spread around. sheldon had 7, wilk had 5, pace had 5, and coples had 4.5. He is however 2nd on the team in TFL and wrecks havoc in the back field on running plays. The man is talented, and is a few breaks away from getting the sack in a lot of instances.
     
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  15. 3lixer.

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    Copies is a beast. As mentioned by 47 other posts before me, he's playing out of position. Dude is not an OLB. He has been dominant this year and made some highlight reel plays (MJD strip tackle)
     
  16. Jets69

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    you are right Copies is a beast whoever that may be however Coples is not
     
  17. Clark Gaines

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    Why so harsh? you're better than that!
     
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    Jets69 Well-Known Member

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    Certainly isn't getting any respect from you Quenton?isn'y it Quinton?
     
  19. Clark Gaines

    Clark Gaines Banned

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    it IS Quinton...you love him!! and that's what I sought to bring out.
     
  20. b.reyes16

    b.reyes16 Well-Known Member

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    More than half those guys are old vets with little left in the tank or players who never played well regardless of the team. Asinine to use them as examples.
     

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