Pure Chaos

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  1. 85inthehall

    85inthehall Well-Known Member

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    No he couldn't have. They should have used him at the 4 yard line.

    The Jets lack any red zone playmakers in the passing or running game right now. That was an ideal situation to show off what he can do and they pulled him. It's like they are almost afraid to let him score because the media would start screaming for him to start.
     
  2. ouchy

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    Really - tell that to the 2011 Jets.

    It was practically the same game as our 2011 Denver game only this time we were Denver in the end....minus playing Tebow.
     
  3. Br4d

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    You're completely insane on this statement. The Texans were in the backfield all night long. The only time Sanchez had clear lanes to throw is when the Jets cleared out the right side for him and he got to step up and make throws through that lane.

    The only time the Jets got to do this was when the Texans blitzed from the outside on the right and had one less guy in the middle as a result. they did this on back to back plays and that's how the Jets got their TD.
     
  4. Big Blocker

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    Well, perhaps saying it's hurting Sanchez was a poor choice of words. I would say it's hurting the Jets, but I digress.

    Otherwise, these are all good points that the Tebots are missing, and frankly to my eyes don't really care about. They'd want to see Tebow in there if the Jets starting Qb was Rodgers or Brady or anyone else on that level.

    I don't even think that OLine protection is as bad as the Sanchez defenders make it out to be, but it is admittedly less than perfect, and i don't see Tebow doing any better with it.

    The real problem is this, and I think both sides of the Tebow v. Sanchez debate miss it. The real problem is that neither one of them are an answer to the problems the Jets have on O. Neither one.

    Tebow quite simply does not fit with this O, so we can get rid of that one relatively easily. It was set up for him, and not all that well at that, to be a change of pace, a wildcat option. Not an NFL version of hte college O he is used to. It would take a great deal of work to implement an O for him, and quite frankly I don't think it can be done with this roster. For example there is no McGahee on the roster.

    THe more difficult analysis is of the position of the Sanchez Fans.

    The problem here is I tend to agree with many points they make. Yeah, Greene sucks. The wideouts are mediocre at best, and there's been little continuity (although this comment was made TOO often last year - now it is a totally fair one). The CS is hurting, not helping, with bonehead timings of bringing in Tebow - it ruins the flow.

    But while the Sanchez Fans make these points, I think properly, to show how Tebow is not the answer to them, they leave out the big picture.

    The Big Picture here consists of two facets. The first is that even if all the critiques of other problems with the O are true, it is also true that Sanchez is quite simply not making the O better. In his fourth year, he is at best a non-factor, not a plus. At best.

    The second facet is that the problems as described are not only not being fixed by Sanchez being in there, they are so bad that it will take a great deal of work, and time, to fix them. The Jets in effect are so bad that only a rebuild will solve the problems.

    The enormity of the problems on O, while simultaneously helping to exonerate Sanchez to a great extent, are also an indictment of the present roster. That roster needs to be substantially changed, and that will take time.

    In the meantime, that leads to our next question - which is does it make sense or not to keep Sanchez as the starting Qb as they proceed to rebuild the roster?

    I think not. I think he will not help rebuild the team, because he has not shown an ability to make other players better. He is a mediocre leader. He's no doubt better equipped than Tebow to help in that regard, but not enough of one (frankly neither one inspire confidence as teachers for younger players). And I also see no reason to expect him to improve on his own play while such a process moves forward.

    Better to get a newer younger Qb who can grow with the team as it moves forward through a rebuilding period.

    So yeah, the Sanchez Fans are right - Tebow would be no better, would not solve the other problems on O, and those problems are deep and significant. But neither is he the Qb the Jets should retain after this year. I might change my mind about that, but that's unlikely at this point.

    So the real question is not the short term one of Sanchez v. Tebow. It's whether Sanchez should continue to be the starting Jet Qb medium to long term. And i think the answer to that is more likely no than yes.
     
  5. BleednGreen247

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    That's Morono for ya

    Another shitty hire in the long line of shitty hires for the New York Football Jets.
     
  6. ouchy

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    Not sure what game you were watching but most of the pass plays Mark had plenty of time. The o line created the perfect pocket to step up and throw. The Texans had a few big rushes but overall it was great pass protection. The Jets had better pass protection than half the teams in the league this week.
     

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