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  1. JetsLookingforDWare

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    See the thing is...we didn't have a bad offseason last year...we just didn't have the dominant one that would jump us into the NFL elite...cause that doesn't HAPPEN in a single offseason.

    What move did we make in the past offseason went completely bust? You're complaining about moves we *didn't* make...something that can actually be fixed given time.

    See, you're not really telling people something they don't know in your posts, and after a while its just negative bull. It's easy to say "hey in 2007 we got pushed around on the lines, we should have done something about it the offseason beforehand." But overall, our last offseason wasn't bad at all...Revis was great...Harris was great...Coleman played OK...Jones was good...nothing about our last offseason sucked...unless you want to use hindsight and say "they should have saw what I saw once the games came on"...and thats annoying and useless after you say it a couple times.
     
  2. KSJets

    KSJets New Member

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    Fixed that for you :up:
     
  3. ShutEmDownRevis

    ShutEmDownRevis New Member

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    Actually we had a pretty good offseason for a team that was completely devoid of talent last year and got by on an easy schedule, intense scheming, and some great momentum.

    Revis and Harris were 2 ROY candidates which is rare to have in one season, the only really bad move was not giving kendall his million dollars.

    You can't turn a team into an elite one in one year, it will take a few years. Especially when the previous regime has left you without much talent and serious salary cap issues.
     
  4. JetsLookingforDWare

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    And even that isn't so bad...why should an old, declining player get a million more dollars? Especially since he tried to bully the front office into giving him the money. I was happy to see him gone.

    I think long term, letting Kendall go and not backing down was a great move. It doesn't look that way because long term isn't what anyone really cares about.
     
  5. ShutEmDownRevis

    ShutEmDownRevis New Member

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    I agree that in the long term it might have been worth it, but I think it would have been worth it just to have maybe not as catastrophic a season as we had last year. Having Kendall might possibly have won us one or 2 more games honestly
     
  6. JetsLookingforDWare

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    True...but we'd be a 5-6 win team instead of a 4 win team...I'd still take the long term reputation as a non-vagina than the short term marginal gain.
     
  7. James Hasty

    James Hasty Well-Known Member

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    The future involves the development of our young QB. For a lousy million, we got rid of a good player that would have helped him develop. Instead, we wasted a year and set our offense back.
     
  8. plasticsloth

    plasticsloth Well-Known Member

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    WEll their projections are probably basing into account possible free agency situations. out of all the really bad teams, the jets probably have the best chance to improve next year because they have some young talent on the O-Line in D'Brick and Mangold and a very good secondary. The O-Line needs a few big veterans and it could potentially be quite good. And with all the cap room, the jets can definitely make some moves in free agency.
     
  9. Beamen

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    More of a feel for the game?

    Abram Elam is as slow with his reads as anyone on our defense...

    You know why you see him making these "big hits" all the time? Because by the time he reacts to and takes a decent angle to the ball-carrier, the runner is already being brought down by 2 or 3 other defenders, one of whom is often Kerry Rhodes, you know, the safety who ACTUALLY has a feel for the game....


    I saw more boneheaded plays out of Elam in one season with limited snaps than I have out of a Jet defender in a while...
     
  10. Beamen

    Beamen New Member

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    Coleman was not worth his contract. We didn't acquire decent talent on either line. We cut our LG without a replacement on the roster. The CS did not hold a competition for the QB job, and did not give Pennington meaningful preseason snaps, so we went into the season practically blind as to the misery that awaited us at the position. We paid Bryan Thomas to be our 3-4 edge-rusher.

    All of this led to 4-12 and a dismal team overall.... 2 good draft picks, and a trade does not make a good offseason, especially when none of the players acquired in these transactions were in the team's largest area of need, OL/DL.....

    Twist it any way you want, but we were a BAD team last season, and there is a reason for that... It's not "all just part of the re-building process"
     
  11. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    In order to project the Jets including free agency in the projection the Jets need to have a history of being active in free agency at the upper levels. They don't have that history since Woody took over.

    If you're going to use free agency in the prjections you also need to project equally for everybody. This wouldn't move the Jets from 27 or 28 to 23 because everybody in front of them should have the same opportunity to improve themselves via free agency factored in.

    Whoever wrote the power rankings article was just way off on where the Jets are, a common problem with the national media - who almost always have the Jets projected higher than they should be.
     
  12. JetsLookingforDWare

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    For the price that the market dictated, no one was worth their contract last offseason in the traditional sense.

    The fact is, while Coleman can be upgraded...he was an upgrade that came cheaper than the rest of the FA market and THAT is what he was signed for. He was hardly a dominant player, but if he was then he would have signed a contract worth more than 20 million in last years market, wouldn't he?
    Coleman and Harris was added to the front 7, both were improvements over the guy they replaced.

    Bender was drafted in the 6th. Plus, at the time of last years FA we were considered set at LG (for '07) and RT was the big need...which is why we visited guys like Colombo and Andrews.

    Wow.

    We traded Kendall, we did not cut him. And in training camp last offseason, no one thought Adriane Clarke would be as bad as he was. He came in in great shape, he came from a solid O-line picking franchise (Eagles), he was young, and he he size.

    This isn't even going into WHY we "cut" Kendall.

    Our QB problems came from our porous OL. Chad sucked, but I doubt it's because he didn't take enough snaps in the preseason. I'd say alot of that has to do with the OL, a problem you can bitch about not fixing in '07...when I highly doubt you were calling we'd end up 4-12 with a ridiculously bad offense...or you can realize that everyone knows the OL sucks now and it will be fixed.

    My guess is as good as yours, but heading into '07 I think this coaching staff considered Pennington a mentor/hold the fort guy for Clemens. Thats why Clemens got significant snaps in the preseason, and why the avoided Pennington getting injured in training camp/preseason.

    Did anyone know our OL and offensive play would look THIS bad this season? With hindsight, some can say they can. We weren't "practically blind" about anything...nobody saw our offense looking that bad

    Not only that, but my guess (which is as good as yours) is that Pennington was/is being viewed as a mentor/hold the fort guy. He was given the starting job after last season because he had earned it with the CPOY award...but

    Thomas got a 5 year 25 million dollar contract. In todays market, thats not the price tag of a good pass rusher. Thomas is being paid to be what he is, a solid player who fits the system. We want someone elite to play along side Thomas because Thomas showed he can be a pretty good 3-4 OLB...

    Ah...so complain about the problems from the '07 regular season they didn't fix rather than realizing that:

    1. You're not going to fill all your holes in one offseason.

    2. OL and DL were major needs last year no doubt...but to say we didn't look into ways to fix them or upgrade them for the '07 season is complete and utter bullshit.

    3. Most teams would kill for 2 good draft picks and a good trade in an offseason.

    4. Most, if not ALL of your complaints, rely on the fact that we went 4-12 last year therefore we couldn't possibly have done enough. Thats your thoughts and I'm not going to change it, but theres no real logic in it after you say it to everyone once. Like I tell others with similar thoughts, complaining about a pretty good '07 offseason because the '07 regular season exposed more holes in REBUILDING TEAM is ridiculous and does absolutely NOTHING.

    No shit we were a bad team. Thats not what I'm arguing. What I am arguing is that it's just dumb to complain about an offseason EVERYONE loved as it was happening because the team was bad. I would change *nothing* about what we did last offseason, and that matters more to me in the long run...which is what they're planning for...than complaining about what we didn't do.

    Am I pissed they didn't hand out a 50 million dollar contract to Dockery or Davis? Hell fucking no.

    Am I pissed they didn't sign a pass rusher, NT, or DE for our 3-4? Um no...because last offseason what pass rusher, NT, or DE was available for us? A 30 year old LBer who signed for less money with a perennial contender?

    Am I happy as hell we came out of last years draft with 2 guys who look like stars? Yes.

    Am I happy we upgraded our DE position with someone relatively young who can be put in a rotation as we add more talent to the D-line? Yes.

    Am I happy we somehow got a pretty good RB AND a second round pick just for our second pick? Hell yes.

    Am I mad that they didn't sign a RT? Yea, I was mad that Colombo and Andrews weren't on the '07 roster because we showed so much interest. But the fact that Colombo took less money to stay with the Cowboys and that Andrews would have cost valuable draft picks HAS to be considered...but it won't because the group that constantly bashes while telling everyone nothing new will ignore that...actually you guys ignore the fact that we even talked to those guys.

    Why do you people ignore that shit and complain about the stuff we *didn't* do? Especially since NONE of you called us being as bad as we were and I highly doubt any of you was calling our offseason bad up until you saw the '07 season play out.

    See the thing about you complainers is that...you offer no plan...none of you have written up anything extensive on what you would do different last offseason...none of you even look at everything Mangini and Tanny tried to do last offseason...you just complain about things everyone knows. Do you know how easy it is for me or anyone to say "ZOMG we should have signed Steinbach and Davis for the OL, signed Thomas for the front 7 because look at our record WITHOUT making those moves." What does that mean to you? I realize I'm exaggerating what you're saying a little bit, but my point is that NONE of what you're saying changes last offseason, whatever you might be hoping for probably couldn't happened anyway...so in the end your complaints are more nuisances than anything else.
     
    #32 JetsLookingforDWare, Feb 15, 2008
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