The game last night had nothing to do with the QBs or who the starting RB is or the stellar play of the two rookies - Revis and Harris. It had everything to do with the OL and DL getting pushed all over the field by the Giants. True, you don't want to show much in a preseason game, but that does not explain having your QB running for his life on every pass play, the RB getting hit behind the line on every running play, the Giants getting 6 yards on every first down running play, and Manning having all day to pass. The Jets greatest needs in the offseason were OL and DL. Nothing was done to address the OL situation and the Jets are in big trouble now. The Kendall thing is not the issue. You can't renegotiate for one player and hold the line on player contracts. But the Jets should have brought in bodies for the OL, be it through draft picks or free agents. As for the DL, they brought in bodies, only they all appear to be mediocre. The Jets could have gotten by with the DBs and LBs they had. They will not get by with the OL and DL they have. The Clemens-Pennington debate is semantics. No NFL QB could have moved that Jet offense last night with the abysmal play of the OL and the horrible field position. Plus, Clemens played with a first string OL against the Giants second string defense (and handed off to Ware 6 for the whole drive) and then played with the second string offense, which was clearly better than the Giants 2nd string defense. I am not one to read much into preseason, but last night was a joke. It is going to be a loooong season. It is also i
No question. However, he can take a hit much better than Leon can at the LOS. Leon is exciting when in the open field, and as a #2 RB, he's the clearly superior option. If Thomas Jones is not ready for opening day, I don't see Leon playing first or second down with the offense. He's an exciting option, but not a star RB as people have been so apt to believe. Ware has more overall running back talent than Washington, IMO. That's not to say he's a future feature back, nor is it a knock on Leon. Washington is a more talented player, but not a more talented running back.
I'll agree that Washingtons not the best choice as an every down back. I'll even concede that Ware might be the better choice on first and second down if Jones isn't ready, but the fact remains that neither will be successful with the line in it's current incarnation. Ware looked great because he had the first team O-line making holes for him against scrubs. Ware does seem to hit the hole faster and more powerfully then Washington does, but I don't think that makes him the better player, just different. Edit: Reread your last 3 sentences, and yea I can agree with that.
Positives 1) Yes I have to agree Nugent has improved his leg strenght somehow. 2) Harris looks good. Maybe when it's all said and done he becomes Vilma's heir apparent as oppose to Barton's. 3) Revis' new nickname is the natural. The guy looks like a vet out there. 4) Kenyon Coleman is certainly an upgrade over Van "Old" Hoffen but that is not saying much. Negatives 1) O Line - Bender or Clarke are not the answers at the moment. Until they are or find someone better, I think they should try Adrian Jones at LG. He's a vet, he plays significantly better on the left side than the right and has looked decent in the past playing LG on spot duty. 2) Brick's play concerns me. That's 2 weeks in a row that he has looked terrible. 3) Pennington just needs some help from the line and his RB. Washington is great when the O-line is playing well but he is too small to get the tough yards when the line is not playing well. 4) You may want to watch the game again. In the game I watched Pouha played pretty well (granted against back-ups), Coleman did not do well at the point of attack as he did in the prior pre-season games and Ellis was his consistent self as usual. As a 3-4 defensive lineman you do not need to make a bunch of tackles behind the line of scrimmage in order for it to be considered a good game. Other positive note: It looks like we have good depth at several positions (i.e., RB, WR, QB and LB).
#2 pos should be on the front page of these MB for some time to come...... the thinking of this FO may very well be to have the REPLACEMENT for vilma in house cause we know he will not accept ILB money that we will have to give him. jil
I saw the Giants blitzing and stunting in pre-season. the jets have played so vanilla I cannot help but wonder if Mangini's obsession with secrecy prevents him from employing even the Jets protection schemes in preseason. The offense, according to Chad, is using only 40 to 50% of the playbook. The Jet defense has been incredibly passive in these games. Come the season I expect a lot more blitzing and disguised coverages and the like. I also fully expect them to trade for a veteran guard, hopefully not some fourth stringer somewhere.
Yes, but please note that he did it behind the Jets first string OL and by handing the ball off to Ware over and over. He did look good on the second drive.
Pouha played most of the first Quarter and the first half of the second. I thought something was wrong with DRob until he came back in the second Qt. Pouha got plenty of PT against NYG starters.
The OL arguement I agree w/.... However, we truly di try to address the DL. But again, 3-4 DL are extremely hard to find, especially in the draft. The bigger question maybe: Why did we switch to a 3-4 when our best players in the system(Vilma, D rob and Ellis) are all players that produce to their greatest abilitiesin the 4-3?
I agree, that question lies at the center of any discussion of the Jets defensive struggles. I like the defensive approach Tomlin is taking with the Steelers better than what Mangini has done with the Jets. IMHO the Cover 2 will eventually take over in Pittsburgh but Tomlin realizes that he needs to maximize his personnel in the short term (i.e. the 3-4). I think next year the 3-4 can really start to work because there are 2-3 legitimate nose tackle prospects in the draft. Like I've said elsewhere, the Jets need to hone in on one and make sure they get him.
Nugent showed vast improvement. He had more touchbacks in that game than all of last season. REVIS WAS IMPRESSIVE. He was covering Toomer and that dive was nice. He is going to be something to watch. Harris is getting better with every game and i noticed the whole bend but dont break theme. Don't really dig that too much cause good teams will make you pay. Chad was a disappointment, yes i admit it. Especially hearing about how other QBs were doing. I figured he'd have at least one good drive but i failed to see one. I have faith and expect him to come out guns packing come the opener. If he doesn't then we'll have to start looking at our options. Chad is a great guy but if he performs the same way he did in preseason Mangini will pull him. And thats why i'm not worried. I know Mangini will make the right decision in the end. I'm just here for the ride.
Positive: We got thru the game without showing NE a single play, alignment, or adjustment that will define the Jets on opening day.
Watched the game on NFL channel today and didn't think it was as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Here are my thoughts - -On both Offense and Defense, the Jets played very vanilla the first half. -1st team o-line didn't look particularly smooth, but the Giants were heavy on the run and pass blitz, which during the regular season can get you burned real quick. -Jets really didn't have good field position, which compounded with a vanilla offense only gets you what you saw. -Danny Ware is a keeper. -Manny Collins maybe worse than Vance Joseph. That vaunted Eli TD came against him as did several other plays and almost plays (if not for Giant drops). -The Jets will move Vilma this off-season. Unless he can excel dropping back into pass coverage out of 3-4 I just don't see how they can use him. He played terrible last night with several missed tackles and didn't pick up a coverage. -Revis looked good in both run/pass and had a nice punt return. He could develop into someone special. -Harris is a thumper at ILB. I still believe he was drafted to replace Vilma, not Barton, as Barton I think is underrated as 3-4 LB. -Nice distance on Nugent's KOs. -Clemens looked good again. I know, the "in" excuse is that he was playing against 2nd team scrubs. Well guess what??? In order to take the next step you have to dominate the 2nd team scrubs which is what he did. Had he thrown the pass to Frisman over his right shoulder, that would have been another 6 pts. He has a really good command of the offense, makes quick reads, has a quick release and a really good arm. I don't think Penny will be the starting QB in 2008. -And by the way, Frisman just got cut for not making a better play on that INT ball. Bottomline is that no one got hurt.
