The way I see it is like this: If our QB roster stays the same as it is now, its quite likely that Smithy is going to be the best QB on the team, and I'm ok with that, best player , best for us. I'm 99.9% done with Sanchez as it appears the Jets are as well. My guess is that we keep Nacho until the season starts, (weeks 1 - 6). At some point there are going to be injuries with other teams and I reckon that someone will give MS another shot and he will be gone for picks or player. If this doesn't happen, he sits with us for the season and is gone anyway.....hello cap space. By all accounts the QB draft class for draft 2014 is a poor affair as well and if we were to draft one of the supposed decent ones we would have to be picking in the top 5, which hopefully won't be happening :wink: So all in all this pick makes sense, even though right now I'm not comfortable at all with it as we have such other glaring needs, O line, OLB, WR, TE and HB. Whoever is under center has their work cut out for them. Welcome to the Jets Geno
Geno Smith seems to have been the most NFL ready quarterback coming out of this years draft class and much more NFL ready than Mark Sanchez at the time of drafting. Especially coming out due to Sanchez only having one year of starting college experience with USC when compared to Smith who's a 4 year player/3 year starter with West Virginia. Geno's a pure pocket passing quarterback (rarely ever runs unless creating something out of nothing) and I believe we'll start this kid from day one. Still mind boggled how a quarterback prospect such as E.J Manuel could get selected over Geno's college production. Geno Smith may not have been the hype machine in which Andrew Luck was coming out, but from what I've seen Geno's every bit the quarterbacking prospect in which Andrew Luck was coming out of college and into the NFL last season. These numbers below are the numbers of both Luck/Smith during their final year of college ball. Andrew Luck: 288/404, completion percentage of 71.3%, 3,517 yards (8.7 yards per attempt), 37 TD's/10 INT's, sacked 12 times, QB Rating of 169.7. Geno Smith:: 369/518, completion percentage of 71.2%, 4,205 yards (8.2 yards per attempt), 42 TD's/6 INT's, sacked 22 times, QB Rating of 163.9. Not taking anything away from Andrew Luck who had a very successful rookie season last year but I believe we drafted a very special quarterback. One with the overall talent, potential and/or ability needed in order to develop into a franchise quarterback.
Geno Smith is not even close to the level Andrew Luck is on. Statistics won't tell you the entire story. Scheme, conference play all skewed Geno's numbers Gonna take a while for Geno to develop. Best letting him sit down and learn the entire playbook
First and foremost you're out of touch when in regards to Geno Smith being a product of an offensive scheme ran at West Virginia. If you rarely watched West Virginia last season just take note of the interview with Geno Smith alongside Jon Gruden. You'll quickly understand that everything Geno Smith was asked to do while quarterbacking for West Virginia was a difficult task. Geno was under center quarterbacking within a very complex offensive system so I'm not quite understanding your point. Also not sure what you're actually referring to when in regards to stating conference of play skewed Geno's numbers. It's not as if Andrew Luck played within the SEC or anything of that caliber. We're simply talking Pac-12 vs. Big 12 Conference here. You're completely off basis with your assumption that Andrew Luck faced stiffer competition of 2011 when compared to Geno Smith of 2012. Geno Smith without question went up against much stronger defensive competition when compared to what Andrew Luck went up against. Any follower of college football would understand this aspect. If any numbers were skewed it were the numbers of Andrew Luck due to a lack of overall competition when compared to Geno Smith (opposing defenses). 2012: Geno Smith went up against... 18th ranked defense (TCU). 21st ranked defense (Maryland). 38th ranked defense (Texas Tech). 45th ranked defense (Kansas State). 48th ranked defense (Syracuse). 64th ranked defense (Oklahoma). 67th ranked defense (Texas). 80th ranked defense (Oklahoma State). 94th ranked defense (Iowa State). 101st ranked defense (Marshall). 113th ranked defense (Kansas). 119th ranked defense (Baylor). Smith faced an average defensive ranking of 67.3. 2011: Andrew Luck went up against... 28th ranked defense (California). 36th ranked defense (Notre Dame). 57th ranked defense (USC). 63rd ranked defense (Oregon). 86th ranked defense (Washington Sate). 88th ranked defense (Oregon St). 96th ranked defense (UCLA). 97th ranked defense (Duke). 98th ranked defense (San Jose State). 99th ranked defense (Washington). 108th ranked defense (Colorado). 112th ranked defense (Oklahoma State). 115th ranked defense (Arizona). Luck faced an average defensive ranking of 83.3. As you can see Geno went up against an average defensive ranking of 67.3 while Luck went up against an average defensive rating of 88.3. So maybe it's possible you could further elaborate on what you meant by stating Geno's numbers were skewed when compared to the numbers of Luck due to conference of play because when in actual reality, Geno Smith was the quarterback in which went up against stiffer defensive competition when in comparison to Andrew Luck of all college QB's. Geno: 369/518, completion percentage of 71.2%, 4,205 yards (8.2 yards per attempt), 42 TD's/6 INT's, sacked 22 times, QB Rating of 163.9. Luck: 288/404, completion percentage of 71.3%, 3,517 yards (8.7 yards per attempt), 37 TD's/10 INT's, sacked 12 times, QB Rating of 169.7. So with all due respect there is where I'll respectively take what you have to say in regards to Geno Smith needing a while to develop with a grain of salt. Geno Smith is as NFL ready as they come after three years of college starting experience when compared to only one season of starting experience out of Sanchez with USC (for one example). Lastly, due to your remarks above it's more than obvious that you haven't watched Geno Smith play the game of football nor followed his college career over the years. Just the fact that you've stated conference of play skewed Geno's numbers when compared to Andrew Luck just goes to show, that you haven't followed both quarterbacks careers closely over the years and/or you're simply not a big fan of college football. It's either one of the two. Geno's season of 2012 without question ranks right up there with Luck's season of 2011 when speaking upon production/statistics.
Wow great post. Idkzik HAD to take him, he fell right into our freaking lap. You don't pass up on a top-10 quality pick that somehow manages to fall to round 2.
Appreciate it Dirty6Sanchez. Just became a little confused on why anyone would state that Geno's numbers were skewed when in comparison to Luck's numbers due to conference of play/strength of schedule. The way it was written was used as a way of diminishing and/or discrediting Geno's production due to the fact that Geno himself threw for 688 more yards, 5 more TD's, 4 fewer interceptions along with an identical completion percentage when compared to Luck during their final season of college play. I personally believe it was lots of ESPN media hype but if it's true that Andrew Luck was the greatest quarterbacking prospect since John Elway, then we just drafted one hell of a quarterback prospect in Geno Smith. I like to believe that anyone who's followed the NCAA game understands that Geno Smith went up against much stiffer defensive competition when compared to Andrew Luck. It just seemed as if 101_GANG_GREEN_101 made Geno Smith out to be some type of QB in which was a product of facing weaker defensive units which couldn't be further from the truth. During the 2012 season Geno went up against five top 48 defensive units. TCU (18th), Maryland (21st), Texas Tech (38th), Kansas State (45th) and Syracuse (48th). He more than held his own as well, he competed against those defenses. During Geno's five games against top 48 defenses he combined for... 132/213 (61.9%), 1,220 yards (244 yards per game) along with 10 TD's/3 INT's. Can't wait to see this kid take the field. He's a pocket passing QB if I've ever seen one and as a 4 year player, 3 year starter, he's NFL ready. Geno has a lot more college experience when compared to Sanchez coming out (who only had one year of starting college experience with USC). Put Geno Smith under Center as a rookie and we'll make the postseason with a defense which seems re-vamped when compared to last year. Our defense should be top 5 without question.
I want to vote somewhere in between like it and don't... I'm mixed on it. I'm happy the Jets got a QB, but I don't know what to expect out of Geno Smith specifically. There's so much in his film that gives you pause about him... but as some have pointed out, at least he has experience coming out that Sanchez didn't. Watching the 2011 LSU game makes me think he's going to struggle without Tavon Austin. I hope the Jets are able to bring in some WR talent next year.
Jeez BleedingGangGreen, that's a great post. I think it's funny how a few months ago everyone was saying "lets commit GENOcide" for the #1 pick. Now because geno has thrown 6 INTs since then and the media got on him, people flip a shit. You're all crazy, dude has a good shot at being good
don't usually do this, but i have to second this. Awesome post, it's good to see someone with only a few posts come out with a solid info packed argument like that :beer:
Welcome to the board man. You keep throwing out constructive posts like that and you'll become popular very quickly!
Pac 12 is highly regarded as one of the better conferences in football. How many QBs you know came from the Big 12 and became productive? RGIII, but who else? Vince Young? Sam Bradford? Colt McCoy? It's widely known the Big 12 doesn't play at defense what so ever. Everyone tends to put up big stats in the Big 12. Geno put up some spectacular numbers at WVU. I'm with you, but so did Timmy Chang and Tim Tebow. However he's no where near the prospect Andrew Luck who whom seemingly has no weakness to his game. We've seen Mayock show these tapes of Geno Smith overthrowing WRs 10 15 yards. Stats to me don't tell the entire story. Geno didn't run a pro offense at WVU. It was a one read offense that also included pre snap adjustments by the sidelines. You can look that up in any scouting report. I hope Geno succeeds, but as a 2nd round QB, in a round where not many succeed, it's hard for me to be excited. Good post by you, but there are several factors you left out. Stats are great, but they don't tell you the entire story.
Very well done. Using facts and figures to substantiate your point. I fully concur with your post. I think as a pick on the second round Geno was an absolute steal. Geno did have some awesome weapons in College that certainly help with his success. Dont know enough about EJ Manuel weapons but the biggest knock on him was poor decision making, which smack of Sanchez in my opinion.All I can say about Luck that his smarts and level of maturity entering the draft were off the charts. Hope Geno can follow suit. He is certainly coming in with a chip on his shoulder. I'm hoping he turns out to be the guy, my fear is that some QBs do great in College but the speed of the game and thought process quickness needed in the NFL kills them. Lets hope Geno can mature into the QB we have all been waiting for.
I'm baffled people are really comparing Geno Smith to Andrew Luck. Would love to know what's in that Kool aid.
I was really excited about the pick, the kid can run and he has a hell of an arm, I hope they don't throw him into the fire and he get's ton of time in the preseason
Great post for sure (the one before was a bit longer so I just quoted this one). I'm still not 100% convinced that Geno is "the guy" as some people think. What can I say? I'm skeptical. I look forward to seeing him at camp and see what he can do though. I've come around on the pick a bit though. Although, to be honest, if we could re-do the draft today I don't think I pick Geno at that spot.
Appreciate the kind words and I agree with 'revis is my friend' when in regards to Geno Smith being worthy of the first overall selection for much of the season. He also mentioned six interceptions as a way of some fans overlooking his overall performance. Those six interceptions are one aspect of his game in which have actually impressed me most. His college accuracy was top notch. Over the past two seasons he's put up 73 TD's when compared to only 13 INT's. That's a TD to INT ratio of 5.61. Andrew Luck who's considered the greatest prospect since John Elway put up 69 TD's when compared to 18 INT's during his final two seasons with Stanford. That's a TD to INT ratio for Luck of 3.83 against weaker defensive competition. Geno dropped back with 1,044 pass attempts over the previous two seasons with only 13 INT's. That's pretty impressive. That's an INT for every 86.3 throws in other words Luck threw an INT every 43.1 throws during his final two seasons (776 attempts/18 INT's). I'm not attempting to talk up Geno Smith as a greater quarterback when compared to Andrew Luck because only time will tell on an NFL level but Geno Smith in my opinion, outside of the ESPN media hype, is every bit the quarterbacking prospect as Andrew Luck was coming out. He's a pure pocket passing quarterback who displayed tremendous accuracy while with West Virginia. As a football fan it's hard for me not to be enthused with this draft selection. I'm also a poster over on RealGM (it's a Knicks forum) but our Jets talk is mostly limited due to NYG/BUF fans wanting nothing to do with Jets football talk over there. But during our draft thread I stated how I only wanted one of two first round talents during our 9th and 13th picks. Geno Smith was my 1A followed by Tavon Austin as my 1B. Which is why I'm not an NFL GM such as Idzik because Geno Smith would've been off that board 9th overall when compared to 39th overall. Which is why I consider us drafting the number one rated corner in Dee Milliner as an extra bonus, because I couldn't picture us stealing a QB prospect such as Geno 39th overall. This kid is good.
I'm kind of in the middle about Smith. I don't follow college ball, so I don't claim to know much about him. What I have heard makes me wonder if he's the right fit for the Jets, though. The debate on whether to start him or not is a perfect example of why. He does not seem like Luck, RGIII and some others to be ready to start day 1 in the Jets' offense. His lack of downfield passing accuracy is the kind of limitation NFL DC's will be all over. And if the Jets do not play him, they do not improve in the short run, and may end up taking a high Qb prospect next year, in which case this could be a wasted pick when the Jets have so many holes to fill. On the other hand, Sanchez sucks, Garrard is fragile, and it is possible that Smith can develop while the Jets improve from their current poor state. Plus I am reluctant to pan the move, since that would not be fair.
