Bad logic. Taking things to the extreme, as I often like to do to illustrate a philosophical point, by your logic, every QB is bailed out by his defense in every win. If Brady's offense scores 47 points and the defense holds the opposing team's offense to 46 points, then guess what? The defense bailed him out by not allowing 48 points. You have to take every game and judge it individually.
I already answered your question. It is lazy to ask that question. Why didn't the Patriots start Brady before BledsoeGate? Why did the Bills start Rob Johnson over Flutie? You are confusing the strategic goals with the operational goals. Quite simply, Tebow is very intimidating to most franchises. There is very little reason for most teams to go with Tebow when there are other "job-saving" QBs out there. You can suck with almost any other QB and you will keep your job. If you happen to have a bad season with Tebow, you just may get fired and ridiculed. Carolina had a losing record with Cam Newton, but because he isn't viewed as such a high risk like Tebow is, they were getting high-fives around the league for their GM/Coaching/Ownership brilliance. In contrast, Tebow, the Backup QB coming in and winning the division and 1st round playoff game made Elway/Fox look pretty foolish. They said Orton was their best chance to win and they looked like clowns. Tebow saved their season and made them miss out on Andrew Luck. He also made the Broncos look attractive enough to land Peyton Manning. They should kiss the ground he walks on... though we all know Tebow doesn't walk on the ground... he walks on water. Tim Tebow is the ONLY quarterback in the NFL who is not allowed to lose.
This would be true except for one small thing. Cam Nawton is better than Tebow in every single facet of being a quarterback.
As a passer, yes. As a runner, no. As a reader of coverages, perhaps. As a leader of men, he's completely out of his depth and doesn't hold a candle to Tebow.
which would indicate rushing yes. LOL cam is a physical beast but mentally weak when things get rough. he can improve on the mental part. Cam > Tebow IMHO 10000X times
Rushing's a tossup IMO. Especially when you consider that Tebow's throwing issues mean teams almost always play him to run first. And I'm not so sure Newton can improve on the mental part. If I'm looking for a QB right now, I'd take Newton over Tebow, but Newton's head isn't right, and I'm not sure it's any easier fixed than Tebow's throwing motion or ability to read pass coverages. Don't know that he's "Ryan Leaf" unstable, but he's got real, long-standing and deep-rooted issues. Difference is, he's being given a chance to work those issues out with the full support of the coaches and front office. And he should be.
his team had what 1 or 2 wins and then they won 6 with him. he takes losing way hard , that's ok, he has a championship at every level and needs to adjust to losing. give him time. How far is ahead of eli and where eli was in his 2nd year? Cam gets taken over Tebow any imaginable way .
It's more than "taking losses hard." Tebow takes losses to the point of tears, yet he's looked upon as a natural leader. Skills-wise, you're right, Newton is head and shoulders above Tebow. But having watched Newton for the past 6 years, I'm not convinced he's got the heart to lead men. Charisma is what Newton has, not leadership. He'll have to learn that, but I think you can stretch the analogy I started further. Tebow's a bad passer, because his natural gifts allowed him to succeed without the need to develop his passing skills. Newton is a bad leader for the same reason. The jury is just as much out on Newton being able to overcome his deficiencies as it is with Tebow and his shortcomings.
Exactly what tickets do people think Tebow has sold? The PSL tickets are always sold anyway and weren't there 10,000 unsold tickets for the Monday game? So what is it he sold?
A team having Tim will not sell Tim tickets unless he is playing enough to be a draw. Who the hell would pay to see Tim sitting on the bench? The way Rex and Tony are playing or not playing Tim just pisses Tim fans off. Get a clue.
I think Cam's deficiencies are over blown. Against Atlanta he was not playing safety when they went 98 yards in like 25 seconds at the end of the game . He can't wn very game , he had a STELLAR record breaking rookie campaign.
Cam IS a great QB, but I agree that he's not a great leader of men. And he needs to make sure he never lets his Dad try to negotiate for him ... or I guess that's okay now since it's the pros now, and not college.
I agree, he needs to learn by facing adversity, remember he faced none in the past three years. If he doesn't he will be just the Atlanta Falcons version of Micheal Vick.
CowboysFan, you're my boy, but... hell naw. Cam is not 10000X better than Tebow. I am of the controversial opinion that they are pretty much equal in skill, but Tebow's leadership is the difference-maker between them. Put Tebow in a permissive environment, with a coach who said from day 1, "Tim you are awesome, we are going to show everyone that you are a great passer." Give him Steve Smith. Give him a long leash so that he is not thinking his job is in question based on each incompletion and interception he throws. Then we'd see the real difference between the two. I've been an athlete with a coaching staff who basically told me, don't shoot the basketball, you are a great defender and have great endurance and speed, but lack skill on offense. It was complete B.S. because I am a natural scorer. They tried to make me play like Dennis Rodman. It jacked up my confidence even though I knew he was wrong and didn't know me. Our whole philosophy was to feed the big men down low. Why? Because our coach was a big man and didn't understand the importance of point guards/shooting guards. We got a new coach who put me in the starting lineup with the green light to shoot. I then became the team's leading scorer. Point is, Cam had a great environment and a coaching staff who let him prove the doubters wrong. Tebow was put in the game with one hand tied behind his back, no confidence from his coaches, and his job on the line each game. Who the hell can thrive in that situation? Let him throw for a season like any other QB. If he fails, then I'll admit I was wrong. Until that happens, I'll stick to my hypothesis.
Cam was able to "unlock" his throwing ability with some good coaching, more quickly than Tebow. It enabled him to gain confidence and "pull the trigger" with more decisiveness. When he was at Florida, Cam couldn't hit the ocean from the beach. I thought we were screwed when Tebow left. Cam . . . could . . not . . . pass. Other than being a cheater and a thief, the real reason he left Florida is that Brantley had been recruited to play after Tebow, and that next season Brantley would have been ahead of Cam on the depth chart. All of this was because Cam hadn't figured it out yet. Suffice it to say . . . he figured it out. He's good. Laugh all you want, but I see Tebow as having the potential to be Cam Newton with intangibles. Tebow's just different -- he has not picked up the ability to quickly throw it, both the mechanics or the mental decisiveness. At his deep subconscious, Tebow is a "people pleaser" who wants to do things exactly right. It causes him to make his reads slowly, and over think mechanical issues. But when it all comes together, it's going to be great I think.
