I hope it works out for you Chad; you are going to have to bust your butt if you want to lead the Jets. Start with the 2 yard down and outs and work your way up from there.
Amen, I am so sick of seeing noodle arm, its only a few guys that keep saying that shit, very tiny minority. Reguardless of what happens with our QB situation, he deserves a lot more respect than what some people have shown him on this board, and people wonder why some players shy away from NY maybe its becuase of fans like those noodle arm posters. But in any case I read that he started throwing yesterday, whichis great news. But he needs to just follow whatever the trainers/doctors have told him he has many months to get healthy, no need to rush back and well....
It seems as though many people here are making comparisons between his two shoulder surgeries and rehab timings. The fact is that Chad has much more time to rehab this time around, and many people also don't realize that the first and second surgeries were completely different. The first surgery was open shoulder, and the second surgery was arthroscopic and much less severe and invasive. Rehab should be much smoother this time around. Also, people saying that Chad can't throw 40 yards are not correct. I remember seeing Chad in his first preseason game last year overthrowing MacCareins on a 50 yard bomb. It was too early in his recovery to be throwing like this, and it ultimately led to a decline in his progress. But to say he simply cannot do it is just plain wrong.
It looked like an overthrow to me too, but then McCareins spent all year failing to run under deep passes from any and all quarterbacks properly, so now I just think it was poor receiver play.
Still doesn't deny the fact that he is capable of throwing that far. btw, MacCareins sucks. He was like 0 for 20 last year on deep balls, but the genius coaching staff just kept trying...haha. At least catch one!!! he is a #3 receiver at best.
And that's the thing that was really making me really mad at McCareins last season. He was in Mike Himerdinger's offense when he was in Tennessee, so he should have been able to at least make the catches. When Vinny came in and took over for the Jets. The Chargers game really comes to mind, because Vinny thru a perfect pass to him and he looked too damn late and I really got ticked off. I got out of my seat and screamed LOOK DAMMNIT! LOOK! THE BALL IS IN YOUR HANDS AND YOU CAN'T PICK UP YOUR BIG FAT HEAD TO LOOK! He better get his act together this coming season with Mangini or else it's time to look for another tall WR. :jets:
it's the 15 and 20 yard outs we should be worried about. I'm not trying to be negative, just stating a fact. These are the throws he's struggled with. That being said, I'd love to see him come back full strength.
Sunshiner Alert!!!!!!!!! What if Chad is VERY healthy, and the updates are slow to come out because of Mangini and co. keeping things close to the vest...ala BB..????
Deserves some respect? What, you mean on top of his giant contract? I usually feel the NY fans and media are too critical, but enough is enough. The guy can't stay healthy, isn't consistent at all, and (was, until mangini came in) extremely overpaid. I also kind of think he is a bit of an ass. I'd rather just give up on the guy and put my faith in Ramsey. And I have an authentic Pennington jersey, that is pretty much worthless if Pennington doesn't become a good Jet. But fuck it, my loyalty is to the team, not one player, so I don't care what happens with noodle arm.
Post-draft I'm not very confident Penny is going to return. I wouldn't complain if he did, I just don't think it's going to work out now. However, I do think he deserves some respect. Sure, he had a big contract, but he did renegotiate it (regardless of the reasoning behind it, possibly getting cut instead.) He did lead us to within a field goal of some decent glory. As far as not staying healthy, he has been hurt three times. The first was a broken wrist, on a freak play. The way he came down on his hand, anyone would have been hurt. Next was the first rotator cuff injury. Then, it was reinjured from coming back too early, and getting pounded, then Herm deciding not to pull him, but keep letting him get pounded. I just don't see how he can be called injury prone as though he was somehow soft. How can you call him an ass? He is one of the most straight up nice guys in the NFL. He is all about team. His teammates adore him. He never says the wrong things. He didn't complain when he spent years backing up the human interception machine. He offered to give up money to resign Coles, instead of watching him become a Redskin. Where do you see a reason to call him an ass? (Serious question, not just simply calling you out.) Of course our loyalty is to the team. No one doesn't want to see the team make the move forward, but what is wrong with hoping Penny is the guy who takes us there? The two don't have to be mutually exclusive.
I'm the first to admit that regardless of how good a player was and what they contributed to the team, if they're not producing you have get rid of them sooner than later. Once retired and no longer dragging my team down I will honestly enjoy the memory of their play for years. I got bashed on the board last off season for suggesting that Chrebet not be allowed to play for the Jets last season. I honestly felt he was over paid and had nothing to contribute but more than that I didn't think he was healthy enough to play pro football and even though it's his decision, I didn't want my team to encourage him when it was clearly dangerous as it probably is for Pennington. Pro sports are a lot different today than when I was a kid. Players made a living they didn't become rich. They stayed with the same teams for most of their career unless they got traded. Today the game is really about big time money and the players are getting a big share of it which they should. Since FA, which the players negotiated and wanted, a highly paid player that has limited production because of age or injury is now not just a guy taking up a roster spot, they are an albatross that is an obstruction to the team improving. More and more fans understand the impact of the cap on their favorite team and will turn on a player in a heart beat if they feel they aren't carrying their weight not just on the field but on the books. We have lost a lot of good young players who we didn't want to pay because we tied up a fortune in a few key players. Those key players are no longer carrying their weight and the team has suffered for it. Fans are not going to cheer for a guy they view as dragging down their team, and many of us believe that Pennington has very little to offer the Jets on the field, it's as simple as that.
When he told the media it is a "privilege" to cover him. When he said that the starting job is his, and they can bring other people in, but it will "be a long day" for those people. Maybe he's not an ass, but he's not very smart when it comes to dealing with the media. He should have known how they would portray him after those comments. The Coles thing, didn't he basically demand that trade? A good QB tries to work with Moss, Pennington tries to get back his old friend and then gets him a bigger contract. I dunno, just doesn't look too good to me. Then, during his contract negotiation, he basically tells the team he's gone unless they "pay me" a top salary. That doesn't seem like a team mentality to me. Of course he's allowed to get money, but then don't claim you're a team player afterwards, when you're killing the cap. Tom Brady took a LOT less money, because he doesn't think a team can be built with one guy taking up ridiculous amounts of money. Now that's a team player. He didn't make life a pain for his team either when negotiating, he basically just asked for a fair, middle of the road contract for his position, and signed it after like 2-3 days. Pennington dragged his negotations for a few months, and constantly threatened to leave if he wasn't happy. I'm really not high on his "team" concept after that type of thing. I think in another thread I said maybe with Herm gone Chad becomes a team player again, but I am not sure. If Chad doesn't have the right mentality, Mangini will cut him loose. I wish I could have loyalty to Chad, but as a realist...I just don't think it's worth putting any faith or hope into the guy. He's 30 years old, and has never completed a full NFL season. He's going to become MORE injury prone in the next few years as his body starts getting older. Kerry Collins was about his age when the Giants sent him packing for their QB of the future. If Chad comes back, then I will probably breathe a sigh of relief, but I'm certainly not going to expect him to make it back. I'll hold onto my Pennington jersey, and I'll even appreciate what little he did manage to do, but I don't have the hope in him I did years ago, when I plunked down $140 of my hard earned money for that jersey. I don't know if I'll ever wear it again either. I'm never going to buy another jersey again, especially a Jets jersey. They rarely pan out.
i agree with the last two posters. you have to be realistic. he couldn't beat teams even when he was healthy. once the raiders, pats, and bills got a second look at him, they had no trouble planning a defense that took advantage of his lack of arm strength. some guys deride brooks as a cfl qb- but the fact is chad is more suited to the arena league than the nfl due to lack of arm strength.
I think it was just liek 10 yard passes with no velocity but its not that surprising cuz rememebr lieka month ago there was that article about him bowling for soem charity.......so he must have mobility back.....we need strength and durability....
two things chad really dont have.. i wouldnt hold my breath on chad ever starting for the jets again.
I'm not really worried about him recovering 100%. I'm just worried about him staying on the field for a full season.
