We were 1-4 when Chad didn't start in 2002, 2-4 in '03, 2-1 in '04(barely beating the dregs of the league in Cle and Ari- we scored a total of 23 pts in the 2 games) and 3-10 w/o him in '05. Do you notice a trend?
Honestly, nyjunc, I'm a Chad guy but I fail to see the relevance of what our record was WITHOUT Chad. Is your point that because we did poorly without Chad, that is the argument for having him remain in the position no matter what? I'm not sure I understand. But even if this were the argument, that was then and this is now. Vinnie Testaverde is not Patrick Ramsey and Brooks Bollinger is not Kellen Clemens. Jay Feidler is not Brad Smith either. To extrapolate that because our games without Chad in previous years were losers, that means we cannot substitute someone (from today's lineup) in there is making a giant, erroneos leap, IMO (if that's what you're trying to do)..
So looking at one WR the entire way and throwing into triple coverage while under no pressure, and throwing the ball completely across the field without looking when you SEE pressure but it never gets to you is worse than making a mistake while trying to avoid a sack? You know what happens when Chad gets sacked usually? He either fumbles or gets injured. I really don't get what you think you're proving aside from a continued mindless devotion to Chad. That Bears game is NOT the game to point to in order to argue that Chad is an intelligent player. Generally I think Chad makes better reads than Eli, however, are you really going to try and argue that Chad has been better than Eli this season? Even if Eli wasn't, which is highly contentious, this is only Eli's third year in the league. What was Chad doing his third year, holding a clipboard?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong. isn't CP seigned for just this year? if so paying him ALL his money doesn't mean anything. it won't count against any cap numbers anyway.
Think Mangini cares about that. beleive me there won't be many grumblings in the locker room. if anything I beleive secretly the veterans are growing tired of CP. we lost chemistry is just a nice way to say CP is not up on his game.
I don't think so, but I think his cap number for next year is the same whether we cut him or not, so he'd probably still be on the team. My hope is it is in a backup/mentor capacity, and not as a viable candidate for the starting job. I'm not sure either, but that's what I've seen others say the contract status is. We're locked into the $9M payout from last game, so might as well get our moneys worth.
Mindless devotion is a lot better than the bitter hatred you have. And it isn't mindless devotion, it's called being optimistic and looking for positives in any player. I can admit when he's played poorly, which he has. I have no issues admitting when Chad or any player has a bad game. You, on the other hand, are just so negative towards the guy it's scary. You just want to see the pretty stats, which he's never ever going to do. You get way too worked up over this. The only stat I care about is a W. If he throws for 400 yards and tossing bombs all over the place, would you be happy? What if he does that and loses? Would you still be happy? Probably. Also, how hard is it for Eli to turn around and hand the ball off to Tiki? IMO, THAT is what the Giants should be doing. Why they're asking Eli to try to do it all himself is beyond me. Eli has NEVER been accurate. But he has a strong arm. Thank God for that, right? Eli can make ALL the throws. Of course, they're hardly ever around the receiver. If he didn't have a 6'6" receiver, his completion % would be even lower with the way Plaxico goes up and gets some of his passes. Look, I get the fact you don't like Chad and you never will. I try to look on the bright side no matter who the player is. Keep hating the guy though if it makes you happy.
You insinuated that everyone wanted Chad benched based on one bad game, did you not? What you failed to take into account of was the fact that people have seen the overall trend of Pennington's performance continue to tail off as the season progressed. I'm not advocating for Pennington to be benched, I'm in the 7 loss camp. I'm willing to go with the devil I know... for now. There is no way for anyone to prove Mangini or Pennington is more to praise/blame for our current 5-5 record. But the games Mangini has "cost us" can just as easily be argued are the games we were in only because of his gameplan, preparation and adjustments. We are talking about the Colts and Bears games, correct?
Not true in my case. If Chad continues to put up mediocre to poor numbers, Mangini should and will bring in another veteran to compete with him next year and should strongly consider starting Clemens, but next year. This year I don't want to throw Clemens to the wolves and Ramsey is not a better QB than Chad so there is no way he should start. I think everyone on this board agrees with that. BTW, I also don't think Clemens could make the play calls at the line like Chad has been doing this year. TBTF
I am of the same opinion as you actually, but probably for different reasons. If Clemens doesn't start within 2 weeks I just don't think it is fair for him to be evaluated on this year, so I'd wait until next year to install the offense around him. But I think Pennington has already played himself out of a job, unless he puts up great numbers to close this season out, and performs well in the playoffs. Otherwise, you know what he is capable of, and it's not exactly the stuff of elite QBs.
This year we barely beat the dregs of the league and lost to Cleveland. The pro Chad crowd has always screamed down his detractors who hate his arm by pointing out how efficient and accurate Chad is. Chad currently ranks 29th in QB rating. If you have a weak arm, and you're not effiicient, you don't throw a lot of TD's, you throw more INT's than TD's and you make critical mistakes with the ball, what exactly is the pro Chad argument? Weak arm, inneficient, bad decissions, are not the qualities of a top NFL qb. We have a greart opportunity to run the table against some very weak teams. Chad being a good game manager is all we need. We don't need him to be that good, we just need him not to suck worse than Carr, Harrington, Johnson, Losman and an over the hill injured Favre.
The relevance is we win when Chad starts and we don't when others start. THE biggest reason we have 5 wins is Chad Pennington. 6-3 and ray proved the next few years that was a fluke. No one was calling for him to be benched after he NE game. I can prove Chad is the difference- just look at our record w/ and w/o him. It's a startling difference. I like mangini, he's done a good job but w/o Chad we have 2-3 wins and we should have 1-2 more wins but idiotic decisions helped to cost us 2 huge games.
We barely beat the dregs? We had big leads on Ten, Buf, Mia and det but the CS's decision to get conservative after those big leads led to those games being close.
Chad is the best option the Jets have *right now*. In a week or two that could easily change. If Chad had had the 10 weeks he's had this year in 2002 he wouldn't even be with the team in 2006.
