Chad won alot of big games for us and sure looked alot better than Favre has looked these last 4 weeks in big games for us.
Haven't seen the game but it appears as though Brett stunk it up. Not sure what the problem is. Maybe age finally has set it. I still won't be surprised if he and Mangini/Tannenbaum admit in the offseason that they've been concealing an injury of his for half of the season. What was it....the KC game when his shoulder got banged up? His accuracy and arm strength in many games since then has been subpar. Granted, he did have some very good games since that time, but I think the cold weather makes it more difficult as well. I could see in recent years with GB that the cold affected Favre's play more than it had in his prime years. It affects everyone adversely as they get older. I'm 36 and I know that it bothers me a LOT more now than it did 6 or 8 years ago. Its probably time for Brett to call it a career.....but if there is a shoulder problem that can be fixed in the offseason, I could see him returning.
The same look Favre had in the playoffs the last decade and against Chad and the Jets in week 17 of '02.
He's not good enough to be a leader anymore. The problem with the Favre deal was that it was doomed from the start. Yes, it gave the Jets more potential, but this team wasn't going to the Super Bowl with him or without him. So there was no reason to bring in an aging QB just to win a few more games. This was the point I was trying to make to Broadway Brett with my comment about how I'd rather watch Pennington lose, than Favre win a few more games. Maybe Favre won a few more games, maybe he didn't, we'll never know. But what we do know is that this team is not going to the Super Bowl. Hence, other than selling a few more PSLs the trade ultimately was pointless and hurt the Jets long-term development.
The problem is the CS threw Chad under the bus and he had to leave NY. Blame Mangini. Chad would have been set up to fail if he stayed in NY.
There is probably some truth to this. I don't know about throwing him under the bus prior to his departure, but it's they didn't know how to best use him.
When they benched him for Clemens, they basically threw him under the bus and blamed the record on Chad. Not once did Mangini say he screwed up with the o-line, the play calling sucks or the defense sucks. He is doing it to Favre right now in the presser.
Nothing wrong with his shoulder he threw a couple of outright bullets after it didn't matter and he finally stepped into a ball. The guy is just shot his mechanics suck most of the time and he simply doesn't have the natural reactions and ability he once had to make up for his crappy mechanics. His freaking old and it was cold and damp and he doesn't have the goods anymore.
I'm still glad Pennington was cut. He's doing great in Miami, and I'm glad for him, but he would not be having the same success here. Think about when our passing game has been most successful. When we've had Favre fire the ball within a second or two of getting the snap, into tight windows on slants nd comebacks. These are throws that Chad can't/doesn't make. Chad's successful when he can take his 5 or 7 step drop, and drop one in between the LBs or Ss, or allow things to clear out and dump one off. He's been doing a lot of that in Miami. But guess what happens at least 50% of the time when we have a 5 or 7 step drop (or the equivalent, time wise, out of the shotgun)? The pocket collapses. Mangold can't pick up an inside blitz to save his life, Brick doesn't often let passrushers get around him, but gradually retreats into the QB, collapsing the pocket, and Faneca, Moore and Woody get flat out beat one on one very, very often. Additionally, our WRs seem to be very good at 'boxing out' and giving Favre a nice target on short/intermediate throws, but they tend to get blanketed as they work their way downfield. Those skinny posts Chad's completed so many of up the seam this season just wouldn't happen in NY I don't think we'd see as many picks with Chad in town, but we'd also not have been able to put together a lot of those lengthy drives (we even had a few yesterday, especially early) as sacks kill drives, and we'd see plenty of sacks if we tailored our O to Chad's strengths.
It is amazing though the success he can have with a team that was 1-15 last year, and that everyone thought would suck this year.
They've done a fantastic job there, tailoring the offense to his strengths. And he's taken full advantage of the opportunity. If it weren't the Phins, I'd be impressed (not even Dan Marino's success could impress me in Orange & Teal)... Our team was never one on which a guy with his particular skill set could be successful. So my only problem is these people who are saying, "We'd at least have 10 or 11 wins with Chad"... I just don't think that's right. I'll fully acknowledge Chad's success this season, but I still think we made the right move getting rid of him (although we may have been better off handing the reigns to a young QB of the future this season)
I'm not sure why you thought they would suck this year. Parcells has done this exact same thing before.
In fact, he's done it everywhere he's been. It took him two years each with the Giants and Pats, but both of those teams went from 3 wins to Super Bowl contenders within a couple of seasons. The Jets had an 8 game swing, and were Super Bowl contenders within two seasons. The Cowboys had 5 game swing, and their first non 5-11 season in four years. They've been perennial contenders since then. Now the Phins have a minimum of a 9 game swing, and, sure enough, look like they'll be contenders for at least a few years
The way things turned out I definitely think the Jets could have won as many with Pennington than they did with Favre. He might not have been able to beat the great teams like the Titans, but he probably could have pulled out some of those games against the crappy teams.
