Pennington, Montana and the Jet running game

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  1. Coach K

    Coach K New Member

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    congratulations, this has to be the most dilluted post of 2007, no matter what comes through the rest of the year.

    the fact you even mention them in the same sentence makes my sides ache.

    you mustve gotten into my stash, you owe me money for that
     
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  2. RDriven3

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    Chad is the root of all evil, come on I know you can find some other stuff to blame him for, how about the weather? Or better yet the Iraq war -- damn his lobs making those muslims go buck wild.
     
  3. Jets81

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    Throwing out the stats, are you saying there's no comparison between there physical abilities and play styles? I can't say for certain, I became a football fan in the twilight of Montana's career. His strength was probably a lot lower at that point then when he was younger, but I can't remember him throwing too many "zingers" either.
     
  4. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    The 1981 49er's that won the first SB of the Walsh era had a bad running game. They ranked 6th in attempts but 19th in yards and 28th in YPC at 3.47 per. Ricky Patton was there No. 1 running back, he ran for 543 yards and average 3.6 YPC.

    Montana didn't have a big arm at all but it was significantly better than Chads and his release and mobility were both significantly better than Chad. They also didn't have Jerry Rice. Our WR are as good as what the 49ers had in 81. Freddie Solomon and Dwight Clark were no better than Coles and Cotch.
     
  5. JUNJOBX2199

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    To be on the side of the original poster, the entire media world made the same comparison when Chad broke out in 2002. If we all remember we Nick named him "The Franchise". The comparison has been talked about way before today! I don’t see it.
     
  6. vilmatic

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    chad and joe may have similar arm strengths, but I think the difference is that in those crucial moments, Chad makes msitakes, whereas Joe didn't. Chad does a great job managing the game, but he can't win the game.
     
  7. joesmoe39

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    b/c there's no way montana had an arm as weak as penny's! even joe cap or jorgenson/kilma from the redskins had terribly weak arms but, not as weak as penny. penney must have the weakest arm in the history of the nfl. the throws he can make are very, very limited. thats just the way it is...
     
  8. ScotlandJet

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    Nice post. Positive thinking for next year.
     
  9. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    this is a fun game.

    my girlfriend, pamela anderson and a boob job.
     
  10. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    Not going to derail the thread at this point, but Herm won exactly as many games as you would have expected him to win given the talent on the Jets during his tenure. He had no visible effect on the Jets performance in any positive or negative sense with the exception of 2002 when he rallied them early on and prevented a catastrophe. Same story with the Chiefs this year.

    The Jets did not have "great" talent at any point after 2002 during the Bradway regime as they do not have "great" talent now.
     
  11. Gator

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    How about Montana rolling out and throwing on the run? Think about the play to Dwight Clark. Can Chad make that play? I love Chad, but unless he gets perfect protection, Chad is only good the first 3.5 seconds after the ball is snapped. Montana could improvise better.
     
  12. tanknyc

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    what you failed to realyze is that that was the 80's this is the 2000's even the lineman run like late 4's and the linebackers average around 4.5's so that being said you need a quarterback who can deliver the ball with power and accuracy. we dont have time for dink and dump offense we only limit ourselves to a certain amount of plays. and i also believe cause of chad's arm strength mangini had to down size the playbook to accomodate his arm. most people are scared of change for fear of thee unknown but look at the pats they had drew bledsoe at the time bill billichick pull the trigger and inserted tom brady now they have a dynasty. no time for being scared gots to make the tough decisions for the betterment of the organization.
     
  13. tanknyc

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    I saw the Lsu game and Jamarcus Russell looked pretty impressive. he posses all the tools to be an nfl quarterback. only bad thing is he showcased his talent so that drove him up the draft board. he's 6' 6" has that height we are looking for could look over the line real tall and see everything. his arm strength is incredible was listening to the annoucers and they say he could throw and 80 yard bomb easily he can throw 60 yards off his knees and throw a 40 yarder sitting down on the ground if we are heading towards a qb we should pursue him that my opinion
     
  14. Gator

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    They didn't insert Brady because they were a team that 'wasn't scared of change'. They put him in because Bledsoe was bleeding internally after Mo Lewis walloped him. By the time Drew got better, Brady had started winning. Lets face it, Bledsoe was stinking up the joint at that point anyway.
     
  15. Br4d

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    That's exactly right.

    The times have changed and the players have gotten bigger, faster and quicker than they were in the 80's.

    It's not just size it's also playstyles that have changed due to the difference in the players. QB's like Johny Unitas, Joe Namath, Darryl Lamonica and Roman Gabriel would throw the ball up 50 yards in the air 10 times a game in those days. Today 5 of those passes get intercepted and the whole strategy fails as a result. Defensive backs have just become too fast and too tall in the air (jumping) to make a bombs away approach effective.

    What today's NFL requires is a short controlled passing game with some real zip on the throws and the ability to stretch the defense a few times a game vertically to keep them honest. Brett Favre in his prime was the perfect west coast QB (and yes, the Packers ran one of the best WCO's of the 90's) and that's why the Pack were so dominant during the late 90's. Perfect man at the perfect time.
     
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  16. Dierking

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    Montana could bring his team from behind to win late in the game. Chad doesn't do it very often.
     
  17. Br4d

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    As I pointed out in another thread somewhere, the Jets are 6-26 when they go into the 4th quarter tied or trailing with Chad as the QB. For comparison, Vinny was 11-19 in that situation from 1998 to 2003.
     
  18. Cakes

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    Joe Kapp and Billy Kilmer threw garbage, that is correct.

    However, Sonny Jurgensen had one of the greatest arms of all-time. Many experts call him the greatest pure passer. There is film of him in practice throwing a perfect spiral behind his back for 25 yards.
     

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