I don't get how the Browns can give up their first three draft picks and make one signing and they're having an amazing offseason. We stay at 7 picks (granted lower, 1,2,4,4,6,7,7) and pick up quality players after being reamed for not using our cap space last season and we're the ones that are screwing up. Aren't all of the new contracts supposedly front-loaded as to not mess with our cap, too? As always, fuck the media.
And it's exactly why the media is ridiculous...who the hell was Derek Anderson before he had a sick O-line blocking for him while he threw to a sick TE and a sick WR? I hate the QB fetish. And please don't bring up Quinn either...1. They passed on the almighty QB position at 3 to draft the unnecessary LT. 2. He hasn't been on the field yet. 3. He was picked in the early 20's. The QB is a huge part of a football team, but he's also the guy the media and fans love to blow (figuratively and literally) because he stands out more than anyone else. He's a piece of the puzzle. A huge piece, but a piece nevertheless.
I agree with you, evojoe67. Any "expert" can say whatever about an off-season move before we have any evidence as to its impact on the team's performance. But I don't think the CS and the FO should have any qualms about such comments one way or the other. They should just keep their noses the the grindstone and do everything in their power to make their moves pay off. After all, it is what they can do with these new players that matters now. The FAs need every bit of advantage that the CS can give them now...not the least of which should be as much serious competition from the other members of the team (and the draft picks as well) as the CS can gin up.
The FO went out and got guys to plug some gaping holes. They improved the team a lot on paper. Now the pressure is on the CS to coach 'em up and put them in position to get Ws.
Whatever the outcome it certainly has to be better than watching the Giants go to the playoffs for the next 3 years while we rebuild.
I wouldn't say desperate, but thus far the Jets moves have been very risky. Woody has been a serviceable center in the past, but he's on the wrong side of 30 and I think the Jets overpayed for him. Jenkins, again solid in the past and a good fit in the 3-4, but he's had injury problems in the past. Of all the signings, I think Pace is probably the most high stakes, both because of the importance of having good linebackers in a 3-4 defense, and also because his contract has the ability to become an albatross if he doesn't pan out. At this point I'm pretty confused by what the Jets have been doing with personnel. Yes, they had a ton of cap space and want to get good as quickly as possible, but they seem to be deviating from a long term rebuilding process, and if these signings don't work out the Jets will be fucked for years in terms of cap space and in terms of putting good teams on the field.
Also the just missed the playoffs and we were 4-12. ....and they have a QB situation as well. They have two guys they want to play. Most Jets fan think we don;t even have one. :grin:
Yep. The Jets have thrown the kitchen sink at talent so far in free agency this offseason which beats the crap out of signing people like Justin McCareins, David Barrett and Kenyon Coleman. It may not work, in which case I think this regime is short-timers at this point, but you won't be able to say that they failed through lack of trying.
Again you show how little you know about The Oakland Raiders. Raiders are a secretive organization who don't say anything to the media. Reason why alot of Player agent will always list the Raiders as being intrested in their client. Why? It drums up intrest in their client and because the Raiders won't deny or confirm anything?
Joe what the heck are you talking about? Honestly I don't know, i'm not reading the statement right i guess. Are you trying to say that the raiders organization doesnt talk to the media, because they won't confirm or deny anything? isnt that the point of all organizations? to send up smoke screens, and make other squads not know what they are doing?
good christ jeaux... i was being sarcastic. thats why i lumped the Raiders in with the Bills. Because anytime you talk about the Bills or Raiders, people begin to laugh. Like this:rofl::rofl2::lol::beer: fftopic:
you know what shows how little you know about the Oakland Raiders? You think they are a good organization.
While I was surprised to see the Jets being as active as they were, I don't think you guys were making these moves out of desperation. I think most, if not all of these additions were upgrades, and in order to win on a consistent basis in this league, you have to bring in the most talent you can get your hands on. The Jets certainly didn't hesitate in doing so... Although I'm a Phinz fan, and really can't stand the Jets, I don't think there's any denying the fact that you guys had a very strong off-season. The AFC East certainly got tougher as a result of the Jets off-season additions. I'm not trying to kiss ass here, I'm seriously impressed. Now if only Parcells can get Miami back in the race!!!....
I really love how football fans are unwilling to see change unless it runs up and smack them in the face. Mangini was a hit in NY when he was successful, the minute he and his team stumbled and everyone jumped off the bandwagon. The Raiders suck, and have sucked the past 5 years. The Pats sucked 8 years ago. They were supposed to be nobodies in '01, yet they won the Super Bowl. I get the whole concept of "success only matters when it shows up in results" because, this is a capitalist society and thats how it "should be." Still, when a new regime comes in, it's like a new business owner has been opened up shop. All new business owners will experience early ups and downs, and this is no different. What matters just as much is how the handle it and what they do to fix those problems. Reading about Kiffin and listening to his interviews, I got the sense that he was a no-nonsense guy like our own HC. He's young, but extremely football intelligent and very focused on proving himself...at least thats the feel I got from him. Like Mangini, Kiffin seems to have more respect from the owner than any previous/recent coach they've had since Gruden. It's really amazing how short people's memories are in sports. The Browns were once a big time franchise in the NFL, then they were a "laughingstock," now they're on the rise again. The Raiders just 6 whole years ago were one of the scarier teams and opponents in the league, now they're "laughingstocks." People get so stuck on repeating the same stuff over and over while the team /franchise is doing poorly that they don't open their damn eyes for two seconds and realize that *positive* change (aka growth) is happening. The Raiders now have arguably the best young secondary in the league. They have two kickass linebackers, and a very high potential DL. They have a ridiculously exciting talent at QB, they have a very good running game behind an increasingly physical O-line, despite the poor W-L record they were blown out like twice all season, AND their coaching staff is extremely young and hungry. Besides for the really exciting talent at QB part, does this not sound like a slightly better version of the Jets? I mean we're talking about the Jets as a top 10 D this year on this site, yet somehow a team with Aso, Hall, Howard, Morrison, Burgess, and Kelly doesn't have that potential? ...Or you could just sit there and tell the Raiders fan the same shit everyones been saying since that team started sucking again. What do the "little things" matter to us, the fans, anyway right?
DWare, I think you're on to something here. The Raiders are going to be a tough out next year, in my opinion. If I'm not mistaken, we're playing them in Oakland, this year. It's going to be rough and tough, but maybe this year we have the stuff to hold our own and perhaps prevail.
The Patriots have had 2 losing seasons since 1994-- i believe when Kraft took over the team. So they have not sucked at all since then. The knock on the Raiders comes from the rivalry that was incepted in the 1960's and continues throughout, notably in 2002 and 2006. Plus their sole fan who comes here to debate does it in a fashion in which is irritating and laughable, therefore i cannot take the Raiders seriously. I give credit when it is due. OAK has a great secondary now there is no denying it. Their LBs are underrated from the highlights i've seen. The Raiders do suck... like us in the 90's suck. 4 coaches in as many years, 1st round busts (top 10 overall picks too).. FO/Owner is garbage... that warrants no respect. I plan on giving none. The Jets are bipolar when it comes to success and failure in the past 8 years. But it still has granted us slight respect amongst the league. The Raiders Fan does not deserve to be treated kindly when it is propaganda he spews. When the man is ready to discuss the teams logically without this 7 paragraph rant about the breakdown of each of his players with the connotation that they are super bowl bound each time something is said i will listen. But the Bullshit is so thick i can't see through it anymore. he has a right to say what he is saying, but it holds no value.
You forget that this is the "what have you done for me lately" sport. In '01 the Pats were coming off a 5-11 season after an 8-8 season. They weren't a respected team, and lets not forget that "genius" was the last thing the media and their fans were calling BB the HC then. Things change in this league ALOT. They usually can be seen way before they happen, but patience isn't really something people have anymore and they're not going to go out of their way to prove themselves wrong either.
