And it has been downhill since. You seem to feel you should ride out whoever the coach is for what, ten years, because that is the best chance of getting a SB ring when that is not necessarily the case. Football isn't science. Who knows whether Rex's first 2 years were a result of teams already mostly in place. If the franchise is headed in the wrong direction you can certainly look to upgrade. You can bring up Coughlin or Cowher all you want but there are also cases of teams firing coaches after a couple years chance and then bringing in a new guy who wins a SB or getting them closer than they'd been. Green Bay had playoff runs under Mike Sherman. That didn't stop them from wanting more. They fired him and hired Mike Mccarthy and won a SB.
it has been but does that mean it will continue? Mike Sherman inherited Brett Favre in his prime, GB won 2 playoff games in his 5 years there(both WC games), never played in a title game, lost first EVER playoff game at Lambeau field. Do you think that is a different situation than Rex? Mike McCarthy won the SB in his FIFTH year in GB so he didn't just walk in and win, he's also missed the playoffs twice which Rex is on the verge of doing. maybe they should have fired him before 2010?
No situation is going to match up perfectly. All I'm trying to get at is that not every coach is longevity away from winning a SB. I believe you blame the defense for both AFCCG losses. And the D has gone downhill ever since the first year Rex got here. Wouldn't you say Rex, as a d specialist, is somewhat to blame here? Certainly you can't just ride out a coach who can't even fix things on his side of the ball because there is a glimmer of hope that if you just wait long enough he will be Bill Cowher.
The giants won 2 of the last 5 Super Bowls, therefore they can do whatever they want with their prices. The jets should be nowhere near the most expensive ticket prices in the league.
i honestly dont know exactly what the giants did with their prices. i do know that the giants screwed their fans by not even allowing them to see their new seats before purchasing them. and if they did the same to their fans then i think they are bastards too. the difference is that the giants actually have a fanbase that can support sky high astronomical prices at this point. woody does not.. he went and shit on his long time fans and shunned them to orange parking and nose bleed seats while trying to lure in these new fangled fans to his psls and clubs and fancy food. and guess what its blowing up in his face and the old fans are now not going to step up and buy those psls that people are running away from thats why the stadium is half full of the other teams fans every week.
Hoping for a better owner is stupid and a waste of time. It's Woody Johnsons' team unless he decides he wants to sell it. The owner can't get fired. So hoping for a new one is just wasting your time. Your owner is who he is and you just have to hope he hires the correct people to build a winning team. With that said Woody Johnson has not done a bad job since he bought the Jets.
This is what I am talking about though. In-stadium sports in major markets has been getting priced out of the middle-classes range for two decades now. That's not a Woody Johnson phenomenon, it's a big market phenomenon. If you live in Miami or Jacksonville or Cleveland you can probably still afford season tickets to an NFL game even if you are middle-class and have normal responsibilities. If you live in LA or SF or Boston or NY or Chicago you probably can't. Lots of wealth clusters in those cities and the price of entertainment there is dictated by what that wealth is willing to spend. If I was a season ticket holder from the 90's I would probably be outraged at the new price structures that the 21st century has brought with it. It wouldn't change the fact that prices will keep going up until that saturation point has been reached and people are no longer willing to pay those prices. Watch the process in Minneapolis-St. Paul with the Vikings really closely. The Zygmunts are trying to create a high revenue deal there which will include PSL's. The governor has just tumbled to the fact that as a result of the new deal ticket prices are going to sky-rocket. See which side wins. Then ask yourself if Wilf Zygmunt is a bad guy stiffing the fans or if he is just dealing with the reality of the cost of professional sports these days.
Agreed. I was just basically pointing out that just because an owner doesn't suck or is better than the last doesn't mean he is a good one and free from criticism
Rex has helped turn the Jets into a veritable circus. That's a difference between him and other coaches. The HUGE mouths on these guys, starting with Rex. IMO, he's created an unhealthy environment in the locker-room, or at least a huge perception of that, which has become a ridiculous distraction. That didn't "just happen." Ryan and the rest of this regime did their best to allow it to happen. Swagger is one thing, but encouraging douche-baggery is quite another. You're going to say that winning cures all, but just look at the mess these guys created. Talk to me about the market, but you didn't see the Giants go through a circus during their playoff drought years.
i believe woody was trying to have the stadium paid for in 5 or 7 years. a big portion of that was psls. i agree its tough in large markets, there are millions of idiots with a ton of money who love to throw it away or make up an llc and use it as a tax write off. but the jets arent one of them as you can tell by looking at the sales in the stadium. the upper deck is half full of season ticket holders. there are over 10k tickets available for all of our remaining games online on stubhub. right now woodys side is not winning and if this situation this year gets worse he will be winning even less. he sold out the old time guys who went for 30 years 10 times a year for people who will now throw the jets to the wolves at the first chance they get. we arent the rangers of the nfl we are the islanders and our dipshit owner is trying to get ranger money out of islanders fans.
While Junc is correct that Woody has overseen a good run, we are on a downturn the last two years. This downturn seems to be due to be a questionable strategy in acquisition of talent. The downturn was not due to QB injuries. Although there were other injuries, there are injuries on every team.The lack of talent acquisition left holes in other positions where one injury depleted the unit. This team needs to get back on track adn right now they are headed the wrong way. As Junc says, they can wait it out and give them time. The problem here is, the Jets haven't been known as a patient organization recently. They also are still missing that QB they can build around. While Sanchez can be good enough at times, he can't hide some weaknesses that could use hiding, (OL, RB, WR). If he could hide of those, we become a drastically better team. The other thing is, why do we need our QB to hide problems, back to talent acquisition. If the Jets want to keep this regime, they need to change the strategy of how to build the team. The aren't a team that's one piece away anymore, they need to realize this
This I mostly agree with. If the Jets don't win the stands won't be full. You can't sell super expensive tickets to a bad team because not enough people will see that as a status item and buy them.
If we lose on Sunday, woody is gonna have to get mannequins and a new Bose system to fill those seats and help the defense with noise. Only one way to fill seats and that's to win.
i look at it that woody and his crew really overestimated the season ticket holders and waiting list the jets had when the whole stadium thing came up. i think he really thought he could fill half of the stadium with "new" fans. and he did to a certain extent. the problem is those new fans are just there for the spectacle or to say they went to the new stadium. they dont stay through the thick and the thin. and now in order to try and fix it he has had to drop prices but not nearly to where they need to be to really sell the tickets to actual jets fans. and instead he has gone and done things like tebow which while i have no problem with tebow and am not a tebow hater was a terrible move for an even more terrible reason. i realize i may be a little over the top with my hatred of woody, i hope that he starts to run the organization in a sensible manner but i will have a hard time getting over the shit that the real fans of this team through in the past 5 years. i am also very worried that when he realizes that it is what it is and that the psls and tickets will be what they will be that he will just stop putting extra money towards the things he can.
New management in the front office will change a lot of things. There's nothing that says the Jets can't be a double-digit wins team consistently. It just requires that their front office be a consistent double-digit wins front office and it's pretty clear they're well below that level now.
Unless you're the Redskins..... Just kidding. I actually don't know how much Redskin tickets cost, just that the waiting list would outlast the Roman Empire or some such nonsense.
