I'm worried the other direction. He has the defensive chops to put some QB's under pressure if he can find decent CB's out of the mix and that leads towards a few games where the other offense just gets shut down. Given the injuries last year and no QB I'd have defaulted to 4-12, 5-11 was unusual.
I think the Jets defense will be okay, but not dominant due to lack of pass rush. That's going to put added pressure on the DBs most of whom are going to be either green or newly acquired. Even so, the D-line should stop most opponents' running attack. The question will be whether the front 7 can generate enough pressure on opposing QBs. Now for the offense which is probably the worst in the league. Aside from the fact the Jets have no real weapons, there is also the problem of poor execution, turnovers and penalties, thanks to Bowles' poor coaching. These factors will most likely result in a deja vu offense that we witnessed last year: too many "three and outs," turnovers, inopportune penalties and lots of punting. The bottom line will be a defense that spends too much time on the field and consequently a tired defense. I don't hold out much hope that a 39 year old QB with a 2-22 record in the last 5 years will provide much offensive spark. However, there's always the hope that Hackenberg (I don't hold out much hope for Petty from what I saw last year) kicks it into gear and shows that he can can be the QB they thought he could be when they drafted him. There's also the possibility of an "October Surprise" by Mac if he should sign another QB or even a RB. Barring those possibilities, it's going to be a long season. I don't see a clear win anywhere on the schedule. The Jets this year could be last year's Browns which should make those hoping for a high draft choice happy.
If we want to tank it's simple. Start Hack day 1 and keep him as starter all season. I think he will be so bad that our team wins 3 games tops.
Any prediction for this roster is either up or down b.c of the number of unknowns associated w. young players. Either they step up & become key pieces making us much better than anticipated...or they don't step up in which case we are staring at 4-12 at best. Those drooling over a QB need to come to grips now: Unless we are selecting top 2(something we can't bank on) if we really want one of these franchise types..we are almost forced to trade up for them. They are too important...in much too of a high demand...and completely manipulate how drafts pan out..especially days 1 & 2. You can argue to your blue in the face..cringe at the prospects...yada yada yada...bottom line is...you want a QB at the top of the draft & are not picking top 2 maybe top 3(given the strength of this upcoming) plan on trading up. It's that simple. That's just the nature of the climate the league is currently. Hell even the Bears couldn't stay at #3 w. nobody considering taking a QB ahead of them...and had to give up a ton just to move up one spot. The truly ideal scenario...is Hack steps up...becomes the franchise we take our lumps end up w. a top 3 pick & either wreak the benefits of other teams selecting QBs pushing prime value to our spot...or trade down w. a Qb needy team for a ransom...That would give us a ton of picks to fill in the loose ends to go along w. the boat load of cap space we'll already have available.We're more than likely looking at top 3...w. still no QB solution in house...and if you think this last draft was pivotal...just wait..
The way they drafted players makes me think the brain trust thinks if we fix the blown coverage issues, we can keep games close and squeek out enough wins to show improvement (6-8) and they'll keep there jobs.... That's what I think they think.... That's not what I think at all... Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk
Hack or Petty panning out would go a long way towards making this team competative. In the long run the best answer may be that our players are OK and are poorly coached. If that were the case a shiny new coach and a good off-season (draft and free agency) could make us dangerous next year. Hard to expect too much this year when we didn't spend big or hit a home run in the draft. Not saying the draft was horrible, just that we were not among the top three winners.
There cannot be a worse offense in the NFL than that which the Jets will put on the field next year. The D will most likely be relatively worse than last year. If we win more than 3 games I will be stunned (and I really hope we don't).
How can looking at the Jets 2017 offensive lineup make you think things like "Solid" or "Above Average" Beachum-- Possibly nearly average, if everything works out in his favor. C- Carpenter-- Above Average, Okay, I'll grant that. B+ Johnson-- Could possibly develop into average, could certainly be worse. D+ Winters-- Almost average at run blocking, needs some serious improvement at pass blocking. D Shell --Looked like he was making strides, improved from awful to below average quickly, so that's reason to hope. D- Ijalana/Qvale --Average for backups. C-
Ac NC stated... there are a lot of issues on this team but the two glaring ones for me is the HC and DC. HC has not improved at all and unless he has some sort of epiphany, I an not expecting much from him. As for CR he is the epitome of incompetence and should have been fired but we all know he is TB's boy so.... AS for QB, I hope the kids get a fair shot and one steps up.... Finally, maybe the changes TB's made on the coaching staff will pan out? Who knows but if they do and somehow the CS actually "coaches players UP" then maybe we can be competitive... not win but be competitive. Sad how we have to settle for just being competitive.
If you look at all the teams with records as bad or worse than the Jets in 2016 they all had good drafts,as good or better than the Jets per early estimates with the exception of Chicago so I don't see how they magically improve out of a top 10 pick especially if you consider the Jets did next to nothing in the FA period. Chicago has Glennon, Trubisky and nacho as its QB depth. That tri is no worse than McCown, Hack and Petty. The only logical reasons for the Jets improving vs their sad ass counterparts from last season is the belief that neither Mo nor Sheldon could possibly be as bad again as last year and one of the trio of QB's takes a positive step forward. Aside from that I'm not seeing any vast improvement. Remember this is a team that still has dumb ass Bowles as HC, is bringing in yet another OC, has a backfield in decline, has young inexperienced WR, no TE worth a damn on the roster to block and a patchwork OL at best. I think any improvements in the D will more than be offset by a poor Offense.
Nicely done. Unfortunately it will take time for this team to jell and we have a big unknown at QB. But I feel the team will be passionate and competitive. Not a playoff caliber contender yet, but the notion of tanking for an unknown TBD college QB who might not even come out, without finding out what we have in house first is dismally laughable and completely undesirable.
With regard to the original poster, going into the draft most pundits considered the Jets to have one of, if not the worst roster in the league. One draft will not fix that situation. We are depending on rookies or injury cases at the most important positions on the field outside of Dline. LT, CB, WR1, are injury problems with significant drop offs if they are not themselves. QB(Hack after redshirt I will lump with rookies),TE, both S. LB no stars need significant improvement. DL needs performance bounce back almost everywhere. The only thing I am intrigued by that was mentioned is the creativity that can be found/utilized removing Harris for Pryor in situations where you could send one or two blitzers on any given play. Heavy blitz is in Bowles's background and is high risk high reward. I agree that the offense may be so inept that the d will wear out and you could also see the locker room split along units.
In figuring out how the season will go you left out some names - here are a few of them: Brady Ryan Freeman Coleman Neal Alford Jarret Flowers Edelman Jones Hogan Allen Berry
The OP makes Pollyanna look like a dark pessimist. Almost everyone one of his assumptions is on the far side of positive, and not reality. While the defense might be improved as far as personnel goes, it's still coached by the same people who made it terrible last year, and of course the HC is still the same. As for the offense, they didn't even think about addressing it until the 3rd pick, and the guys they chose look promising, but they're unproven rookies, and are dependent on either a washed up QB or two unproven ones to get them the ball. The current starting RBs are old and injury prone, and neither are the type that can carry a team by themselves. Add in the 8th toughest schedule they face, and the odds are high that they'll do worse than they did last year. That said, it could even be worse, if some of the most optimistic assumptions hold true, they might win 4-5 games which will consign them again to draft purgatory, and keep them from being able to draft their FQB. The reality-based, best case scenario for this year is that Hack proves he can be the FQB, some day, and the young guys show progress, along with Bowles and his CS, and they can then build on this going forward, but it's likely going to be 3 years or more before they become good enough to entertain thoughts of getting to a SB.
off the top of my head i say we split with the fins and bills. last year IIRC we swept the bills and split with the fins. NE will sweep us as always so 2 wins in the division as far as 4 more? jax, cle, tb, car, saints and chargers are all possible. I think we can win 4 out of those 6 games. Not only that but just because some teams are better on paper now doens't mean it won't change. oakland can challenge for a SB for if carr goes down they will suck. Broncos still have QB issues like us. If you want to look at guaranteed losses i'd say NE twice, ATL, chiefs, and oakland (barring any injuries) so bets case we are looking at 11-5 realistically i'd say between 5-8 wins) and picking somewhere from 8 to 14. Even as bad as we were in 2016 we still picked 6th. i can't see us being that bad again. we'll have to trade up for a QB
If our new LBs coach can work some magic with our young talent, Mo Wilk can return to form, everyone can stay reasonably healthy, and our defensive backfield gels (that's 4 big "ifs") The Jets have a legit shot at having a top 5 defense this year. Not a terribly deep defensive roster, but it has better depth than any Jets defense in the last half decade. The offense is, of course another issue, as is special teams, but IF the defense can do the above, they can at least force other teams to play disciplined football and not beat themselves. Watch NFL Redzone for a couple of weeks and you'll see that 2-3 games every single week come from teams beating themselves. With Hack/Petty at QB, the Jets will probably beat themselves at least a couple of times and it will be wash, anyway.
If one or more of the top QB's looks like the real deal we will not be able to trade up for that (those) picks. Andrew Luck didn't get traded up for and nobody is going to pull an Eli or an Elway to come to the Jets. We're going to have to earn a FQB pick in 2017 or else we're going to be selecting from the second tier of QB's in that draft, possibly after trading up for the first available pick - which might well be the 3 or 4 depending on how the NFL views the prospects. Much better to earn the 1 or the 2 and get our guy the natural way. Teams are trading up for half-assed projects right now. If real QB's are available there is no team drafting 1 or 2 that will pass them up. Not after having the kind of record it takes to get the 1 or 2. They're going to take the FQB's and try to fix their offense.
out biggest issue is offense. I think our defense can return to being a top 10 unit if everyone stays healthy and the young players step up (moulden, lee, jenkins, adams, mays) There are 3 really good ones in the draft next year. the question is who needs them. us, and the niners are probably the top 2 looking for a QB next year. the jags could move on from bortles. possibly the bills.
Well somebody, I forget who, picks the Jets to get 6 wins..that should be just enough to guarantee we get another shitty draft pick next year..go Jets!
My expectations are extremely low- but I wouldn't be surprised if this is like the 06 season(Manginis first year, but I don't see the playoffs in our future)That year we also drafted D-Brick and Mangold- and Pennington came out of no where.
