ALL the Credit goes to nyjunc...... He comes up with probably the best possible way to describe Herm, Yet still Fights us all when we say the same exact thing. WEIRD. :breakdance:
This is a perfect summary of what turned me against Herm. Makes it that much better that we got to the playoffs in the first year he was gone and KC didn't.
He's still preaching his "honesty & integrity" in KC. That's what really gets on my nerves. We know he's a lieing POS, but he keeps saying "what you get with me is honesty". There's nothing worse than a liar who claims he's always honest.
Perfect example: last years game in Jacksonville, Jets get blown out. Herm's response would have been, We got outplayed. Mangini's response, We were ilprepared in every phase of the game. Thats honesty.
I think the point where we diverge is that I give more credit to the coach for having his players ready each day so that when they are put into that situation, kicking the field goal, making the tackle, etc... the likeliness of them excuting it properly is much higher than a coach that doesn't.
I agree with the first part, but the player still has to execute the play. Herm did have them ready to play in San Diego and Pittsburgh that year. He had them in position to win on the road vs a 15-1 team with an injured QB, but the kicker has to make the kick. Did taking the knee hurt? Of course it did. But the point being, the coach can only lead the horse to the water, the horse still has to drink it.
Not really, you guys say he's the worst coach you've ever seen and that he is a terrible coach while the record indicates otherwise. I NEVER said I thought he was a great coach, I have always said i thouht he was a good coach and I appreciate the success we had under him. Actually we never were beaten up that badly under Herm.
I understand your point and I think alot of people share it. I do agree that players are human and thus prone to mistakes. However, I also think that I think the better coaches are able to exert influence over mistakes and make their players less mistake prone. I think that some people see this a is a luck. I don't see it that way. I see it as very deliberate manipulation that the best coaches can influence. So while some may view the 5 FGs as Bahr saving Parcells ass, I see it as Parcells influence as a great coach and one the of reasons he was able to accomplish what he did.
We're kind of saying the same thing, but I think in an isolated game or incident anything can happen. Parcells lost a game with Dallas this year because his kicker failed him and he cut the guy, so I don't know what that means. His holder dropped an extra point and cost him a playoff game, does that make him a worse coach?
You forgot the game Week 1 against the Chiefs in Herm's infamous last season when Larry Johnson basically showed everyone how fast he could run from one end of the field to the other about five times.
As long as we agree that he WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. That's what is important..... :beer: The rest is just varying degrees to how much he wasn't good enough and is inconsequential blabber to a fan who wants a coach that IS "good enough". Good to see progress has been made.... :up: To you.
Your example is based on what you think Herm may have said That is not honesty it is merely an opinion based soley on speculation.
Yes and although the score wasn't as bad as the Jax game, the beating itself was. That set the tone for the whole year - I even remember Edwards claiming he didn't know KC had scored on the second play from scrimmage until the special teams players ran on the field because he was turned around doing something else. After hearing that I knew it was his last year in NY.....
NFL Films has been doing work like this much prior to the advent of NFL Network. (Obviously, I'm nitpicking. Your statement wasn't accurate enough for me. I love NFL Films. NFLN itself less so. Total Access is basically a waste of time. The only good stuff are press conferences/post game reaction, NFL Films, and re-airs.)
We lot that one 27-7, that's bad but not 41-0. I have not changed my stance at all, I have always said herm was a GOOD, not great, Coach.
I didn't say that mistakes are unaviodable, I just think the better coaches are able to minimize them to a greater degree than lesser coaches can. I don't think you can isolate one play or one instance and encapsulate it for a coach. There were more poor coaching decisions in the Pitt game other than taking a knee and the brien miss. If the game was managed by a top teir coach it is likely that it does not come down to brein. It is easy to pin the tail on Brien and of couse, that is what Herm subsequently did. The questionable calls that lead up to the brien miss are just as or even more important though. In all I think it is a cumlative thing and I thing you are right that some isolated incedents are out of anyones control. However, if you have the right coach and the right culture installed in your team these things happen less and with parity that way it is in the league this makes all the difference in the world. I think a better cliche is: when you bring better coached horses to water, they drink more often than ones that are not well coached. To answer you question about Parcells (who is one of my all time favorites) I think he is a lesser coach than he once was. I think comparing this year's BP to the 1990's BP is like comparing at 27 year old Bruce Smith to the 35 year old version. I am glad he stepped down, it was time.
