Damn you for posting a Cimini link. First one I've clicked since the season started. Fuck you Rich, you smarmy little dick.
I get you, JW. If I had been sitting in front of the wicked internet machine during the game, I'd hate to see the stuff I would post. That's mainly why I don't. I let my wife deal with the anger and spare the world wide web. Rex has definitely had some bad moments as a coach this season and I agree that it is not something we have grown used to seeing, those in-game issues. I think Rex always had Westy near him on the sideline for a reason in previous years, and we're seeing the results of Westy's absence. I harken back to Parcells... he wasn't great at clock management, so he delegated that to someone he could trust. The challenges, he definitely needs to work on. And by that I mean he needs to find the right people to review those and he needs to work on which challenges are worth taking.
exactly...it has nothing to do with the argument. I didnt start this thread to go after Rex the defensive genius..because he is a great great defensive coach. An argument can be made that he finally has the horses up front to show how good he is. The point is simply this...I posted this after the fumble..which I told my son we had no more challenges left. Did I overreact with the firing part? Yes..although if this continues it will do him in. My point SHOULD have been that it was one of the worst coached game I have ever seen. Did anyone get pissed off like i was being up 20-9 and running plays towards the end of the 3rd quarter with 15...18 seconds left on the play clock? Nobody was really disturbed about that? Wilson...who played a decent first half had lost his mind and was left in the game. You challenge a run play on spot of the ball when the FIRST replay easily showed it wasnt even close. You waste your final one with so much time in the game left when even if he was out...there was no view showing anything close to turning it over. He blew 2 timeouts..not 1...2 timeouts by letting first 10 seconds run off the clock and then 7 seconds run off the clock by not calling a timeout when the played ended...seconds that would have helped Geno when he ran out of bounds and got hit late..bailed out by the stupid play of the Bucs. on third down and a penalty...he chooses to take the penalty instead of making it 4th down. You give a team 2 chances to get a first down instead of 1...not that by taking the penalty it was taking them out of field goal range..they were down by 7 and not even over the 50. Guys...some are taking this way to persoanl. This has nothing to do with the Jet defense...the 8 sacks...nothing. It has to do with Rex struggling to coach the entire game because perhaps he is doing the defense by himself. If thats the case he needs someone next to him to remind of little details that could be big...thats all its about. Look what time I posted this thread..in hindsight I should have waited till after the game but my blood was boiling with the lack of good judgement running plays and not running the play clock down etc.
They are seriously looking into it now that you posted this. They are lagging behind with the wildy hot "sanchez sucks" thread. Instead of just asking for the deletion....perhaps you can talk about his poor performance as a HC...NOT A DC..as an HC yesterday...because anyone feels that he was in control of the GAME yesterday is nuts.
jb..excpet for the last personal foul call..what calls on Wilson sucked...and does anyone think if the final pass by Manuel...which landed out of bounds..if accurate it would have been pass interference on A.C. A.C. was grabbing at hiim till the ball hit the ground. The Jets defense better learn to turn on the ball because it will eventually do them in.
High penalties are not the norm for this team. Based on the stats, we've only been a top 10 penalty getting team once during Rex's tenure here. The fact that we had a really bad game with penalties doesn't indicate that coaching is bad or that it's going to continue every game. At least half of the penalties were from 3 players alone, so we can fix that. Ducasse is new to his starting role, Coples is new to his OLB role and Kyle Wilson just let his emotion get the better of him. I can't say I blame the coaches for that, although I'm sure they will be working with those 3 players in regards to them. It's not like they'll just pretend it didn't happen because they won the game. Just another silly Rex myth.
I purposely used them as examples because they are highly regarded. You have not shown me what McCarthy, Payton and Harbaugh do for their defenses. I want to know what makes RR a just a DC and them not just OCs. Its ok to admit you dont truly know. Sean Payton calls New Orleans' plays, Rex calls our defensive plays but because Payton has a ring you assume we are doing it backwards and not them? Face it, you dont know.
Not to mention, even during the Super Bowl season, Payton's defense was a holy mess...and his rogue Defensive Coordinator was running an illegal bounty program. Who knows where that situation goes if SP doesn't have an elite quarterback to offset his team's deficiencies and help him win a championship? Not unreasonable to think Payton might be an ex-Head Coach right now if that was the case.
Yeah it was ugly. Wouldn't blame Ryan for everything though. On my overall feelings on his coaching tenure, no way I am telling you guys what I think.
You're right Jake, I don't know. Guess I'll just have to look it up. Amazing thing this Internetz... Wow.. there's McCarthy. Who wudda thunk it. Lets take a look shall we? Starting with McCarthy, although his training is offense, the year they won the SB (2010) GreenBay was 2nd overall in team defense. In 2009, GreenBay was 7th in team defense. Not to shabby for an HC let alone one whose pedigree is offense. The year they won the SB, GB was 10th in team offense, 2nd in defense. Not that big a spread. Of course, McCarthy probably talked up his offense at every opportunity like Rex still does.Difference being, McCarthy won his CCG and the SB. You're right Jake, I had no idea just how much balance GB had going for them. Couldn't possibly be the result of coaching because as Jake knows, the HC doesn't really have to do much these days. Just a figurehead.. McCarthy is also 75-39 over 14 years. Moving right along. Lets take a look at Sean Payton: In 2009, The Saints went 13-3 and were the #1 offense in the league but 20th in defense. They also won the SB that year. It was around 2009 when the league started this heavy tilt towards the offense at the expense of the defense and ST's? '09 thru '11 were the years Greg Williams instituted his bounty program? In that case, you are correct as Payton did not put a stop to that. Paid the price for it with a suspension. However, His defense was good enough to win the SB. Think he'll ever ignore one unit of his team again? I doubt it. Not sure which Harbaugh you're talking about as both were very successful with their talent laden defenses. On offense, one had Alex Smith and lucked into Colin. The other really had no talent at the Qb position until Flacco came along. Their offenses were carried by their defense. Rex Ryan's blueprint definitely. When you think of the Harbaugh's, you think HC of the entire team. When you think Rex Ryan, you think HC of the defense. Sean Payton delegated the running of one unit of his team and it bit him in the ass. Hard lesson learned no doubt McCarthy? maybe I missed all the mayhem coming out of GreenBay but I just don't remember any. Maybe you can help me with that. Seems like McCarthy has a pretty good handle on all facets of the team. Sounds like a true HC to me. Maybe your definition is different. The Harbaughs? There's a reason why Rex didn't get the B'more job. My point is, you don't have to the the OC/DC/STC all rolled into one, but you do have to have more than a passing interest in all three. On the field, Clock management, situational awareness and probably a million other little things play a role. Rex is still learning how to handle all of it and I'm sure when he's in the HC role a few more years, this won't be a problem. After all, Rex is still one of the top DC's in the game. He only has two more facets to get down pat. Fire away..I'm gonna go have some breakfast and get my ass to work..
I hope Rex keeps his job regardless of that and about clockmanagement and chalenges he can give that task to another person. He has charisma , motivation and the defensive strategy skillset so he deserves to be here.
Again, the bills D look terrible you don't think Rex helped with that game plan against Pettine? Jets defense has looked great all year last time I checked that is pretty good coaching. Oh wait he called a couple bad challenges man he sucks bad. Oh and we won
You still havent actually showed me how they contributed to their defenses. Throwing out stats and telling me how balanced their teams were doesnt tell me anything other than those were balanced football teams. Dom Capers, a highly acclaimed defensive mind, gets most of the credit for GBs defense in 2010. Sean Payton not knowing about a fuckin bounty program in his own locker room only reiterates MY point. Im still waiting for a sufficient explanation as to what makes RR "just a DC" and Mccarthy, Payton and Jim Harbaugh "more than OCs". What did they do for the other phases?
like Jake aid, he didn't ask you how well Green Bay's or the Saint's defense did, he said show how McCarty or Payton actually contributed to such and didn't simply delegate to his coordinator, just like Rex. just because Green Bay had a great defense under McCarthy doesn't equate to McCarthy doing any more for it than Rex does for the offense.
McCarthy does nothing on the defensive side. He hired Dom Capers to call plays and develop defensive talent. McCarthy calls the offensive plays Same with Sean Payton, same with Gary Kubiak. So why can't we do that vice versa with Rex and MM? I think the two are a good team. You see them on the sidelines ALWAYS communicating.
From a former offensive player's perspective: Concerning Rex's media bravado: Responding to a comment saying that winning is what gave the Jets their identity: This is only a small taste but it leads me to believe that Rex as a leader impacts the offense, even if he isn't too involved in coaching it.
This is a good one. Wade Phillips is Kubiak's third D coordinator and that defense was garbage until Phillips came in, installed his own 3-4 system and turned it around overnight.
