Mangini was never this bad attitude wise with the Jets. It's like his attitude has gotten progressively worse and worse since going to the Browns.
I think he didn't expect to be fired in New York, so there was no reason to be such an ass. He then got hired so quickly in Cleveland that it seemed to bring out the Napoleon complex of his mentor BB in spades. Now that it is all falling apart, it seems that he realizes that his days as an NFL coach are numbered and he's just lost any semblance of civility or class as he lashes out, desperately trying to keep from drowning.
Of course they're awful on the field.. the Browns have been a bad team for a long time and that's not going to change overnight. Awful personnel decisions? As in players? The only bad decision they made was keeping DA. Edwards wasn't happy and probably wouldn't have stayed in Cleveland long enough to see through the "rebuilding". The same probably applied to Winslow, who was also constantly injured. Neither of those players wanted to be in Cleveland and now he has 11 picks to choose the players he wants from what could be a great draft class. We can only assume Mangini was given the reigns from day 1 and Kokinis should have had a pretty clear understanding of that since Mangini was the guy who brought him in. All coaches want as much control over what's going on as they can, that's just the way it is. You can say Kokinis is the fall guy, but he was clearly let go because he wasn't content with his role in the organization, which means it wasn't simply Mangini throwing him under the bus.
I like how a source at the end of the article said "its not his turn to go yet" that basically means Lerner has to clean house one year after cleaning house. i can't even feel bad when its all on him. Lerner is one of those owners who doesn't understand what to do. He is no different than a fan on here who offers his opinion of what direction he thinks the Jets should go and the respected posters rip it to shreds. Lerner would be one of those guys.
yes, they have been bad for a long time, and they are worse than they've ever been since they were first brought back. the point is to get better from year to year. and when you were bad last year, and get worse, that speaks of ability. Mangini traded away those players for next to nothing and can't seem to get production out of the players he has. surely, that is indicative of bad personnel decisions. good thing he has Elam and Ratliff, though. much better than maybe what they could have had at the number 5 spot.
I heard Vic Carucci on the radio yesterday. He was saying that there is a seedier back story to the Kokinis firing/non-firing. My first thought was, "You're a blankity-blank football writer, man. It's you're friggin' job to report things like this public!" Something's weird, though. Kokinis and Erin O'Brien were the only two people Mangini brought in, and they've both been fired. I hope there's sex involved. Sex and football make good company.
Mangini Even the Butt of Redskin Jokes From the WSJ: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704402404574523873112583510.html
its almost amazing how quickly guys that suck get exposed when they leave the jets. it took herm a year and a half for everyone to realize he really really sucked. mangini it hasnt even taken that long. granted hermy had a better situation that he was walking into.
i have definitely felt it held us back the last 2 coaches. i thought herm was given a great team and completely ruined it. while i thought mangini brought in talent he was obviously just a douche bag and not a very good coach. neither one of them was a leader of men, reminds me of one of the funnier things our friend from wfan said when he said leader, leader herm edwards couldnt lead 5 men into a hot tub full of beautiful women thats what kind of a leader he is.
I disagree about that, a lot of the Jets players would've followed Herm to Hell and back. Problem is, Hell is right where he led them--he just wasn't a good gameday coach at all. Great motivator though--I see no comparison in that department with Mangini, who either has aspberger's or is just a tremendous ass.
i think the point to his comment was that he wasnt a good gameday leader. nor a strong leader. the players loved him but it wasnt because they respected him and thought he would lead them to greatness, they loved him because it was club med around jets camp. at least that has always been how i looked at it. god this reminded me of his complete bullshit press conferences where he would deflect blame onto everyone but himself. that lying scumbag piece of shit herm edwards.
Yeah, but Herm Edwards got us Leon Washington Hopefully Rex is the coach that gets it right: he can motivate players, he's a great defensive game planner and he can bring in talent cus players know they'll love playing for him. And BTW, you play to win the game
Much rather be in our predicament than in Washington or Cleveland. Kind of gives you a new perspective on really stinking up the joint. We've gotten better and need to finally take that final step foward.
They are sooooo sick of eric...... I can't believe he has lasted this long, really..... http://http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4647978 Lewis: Mangini overworking players BEREA, Ohio -- Cleveland Browns running back Jamal Lewis said he's frustrated by another losing season and believes coach Eric Mangini is pushing his players too hard. Lewis, who intends to retire after this season, said Thursday that he doesn't want to be a "babysitter" to Cleveland's younger players. He wants to win and expressed disappointment that two- and three-hour practices aren't translating into wins for the team, which has a 1-7 record. "There's talent all over this locker room, young and old," he said before practice. "There's talent everywhere, but that talent has got to be ready for Sunday, it's got to be fresh for Sunday. You can work all day, but if you're going to work like that, you're probably not going to get what you want out of your players." While Lewis doesn't mind working hard, he said Mangini is wearing out his players. The team captain said he hasn't approached his coach about making changes. "This is his show, not mine," Lewis said. "You got to take care of your crop. If you don't, when it comes time to harvest, you're not going to make no money because the crop is no good. That's that." Lewis said the length and intensity of Mangini's practices are not the issue, it's that the first-year coach's approach isn't producing wins. "If I'm going to come out here and work the way I work, then I want results," Lewis said. "Right now, that's not what's going on. I feel like it's just a waste of time for me." Earlier, Mangini said he has changed his approach and adjusted this season. Lewis was asked to comment on the coach's stance. "Next question," he said.
