Aren't you making the point that we should find our Edge or Bell in the draft? I mean Edge wasn't 27 when Indy drafted him and neither was Bell when Pitt took him.
Nope. I'm making a point of how a great RB in James was a key ingredient in Manning's young success (as would a great Le'Veon Bell become a key ingredient for Darnold's as a young QB). That. Was my point. The Jets won't be drafting a RB 4th overall. Not without first securing a Franchise LT we aren't. Therefore if a Le'Veon Bell is available (as a FA) he could become a must have for Darnold and our Jets over the next 3-5 years. NYJ never drafted #28 Curtis Martin neither. Still doesn't change the fact as a football player he's our greatest RB of All-Time (if not overall player).
Because it's what we should have. The LT position is always the 2nd or 3rd most important position on a football team. He protects the QBs' blind side. One player won't fix an entire OL, but he'll go a long way towards keeping the QB healthy, upright and on the field. It wouldn't matter how good a #1 WR prospect was if Darnold was running for his life every play, or worse, injured and not even playing. The same goes for any other position. LT has to be our #1 priority in the draft. We can address the "other" positions in FA. We can upgrade the OG and C positions, the RB position, probably ILB and it's even looking fairly likely that there will be at least 2-3 excellent edge rushing FAs. Conversely, there will be no elite LTs available in FA.
Yes, pass rusher is an important need, but it's not more important than protecting your FQB's blind side. It just isn't. No one is advocating reaching. If there are 3 stud LT prospects in the first round and they're all gone by the time Jets pick in the first round and there's a stud pass rusher and a 2nd tier LT, then no you wouldn't want to reach, but there's always the possibility of trading down, getting a 2nd tier LT at a lower position, and adding an additional 2nd or 3rd round pick or more and being able to add a young pass rusher with that pick. Yes, the OL needs more than just a franchise LT, but that is not a reason not to take an LT. That's just silly and absurd reasoning. We can quite likely upgrade at least one OG spot and maybe the C position in FA AND add an elite pass rusher. We could also draft OL with our 3rd and 4th round picks, and if we trade down and add a 2nd round pick, we could take another edge rusher, OL or add a WR, CB, or ILB.
SPOILER ALERT: When did the final draft order get released? The Jets now with the 4th overall selection in 2019. Almost pointless to even follow the season.
Holee Fuck. First of all, we get you’re a millennial child but Curtis Martin, as good as he was, was not the greatest Jet RB of all time. And not the greatest player of all time. Not even close. He may have been your favorite player as we’ve heard ad nauseam but he wasn’t nearly the greatest Jet RB. Not shocking that you never saw him in college because he wasn’t from the SEC, ACC, Florida, FSU, Miami or whomever the fuck you are a fan of. You’ve mentioned it so many unnecessary times we can’t keep track. And he’s not NEARLY our greatest player of all time. We know you’re not really a Jet fan, but you should do some research on Matt Snell, Emerson Boozer, Freeman McNeil, Mickey Schuler, Al Toon, Don Maynard, Marvin Powell, Randy Rasmussen, George Sauer, Dave Herman, Winston Hill, Marty Lyons, Mark Gastineau, Joe Klecko? Joe Fucking Willie Namath? GTFO. Do some research, learn some history. I met the man and his Mom at the Stadium the day he went into the ring of honor, great player and class people. But he wasnt the greatest Jet. Some erudite Jet fans look at him as a 4 yard and a cloud of dust complier. Not close to the GOAT. Still, you realize (I’m guessing you weren’t a football watching fan back in the day and just look at “stats” because that’s what you do) that Edge did all his damage in 5 massive years with Indy (a few injury laden years that can’t be denied) and then he got kicked to the curb. That’s Bell RIGHT NOW. He’s not a rookie or 1st or 2nd year player with no mileage making no money. He’s an OLD 26 year old beaten down player with a ton of mileage on his legs and he’s a POS recalcitrant RB with revis-like hold out history looking for his last payday on the Mo Wilkerson tract. What is it with piece of shit players that attracts you to them? Is it Florida? Is it you being a Dolphin fan looking to troll a Jet board? What is it?
Two years younger and so what. There were younger Free Agent RB's than Curtis Martin too. Still doesn't change the fact #28 was the best of them all (older or not). Same goes for Bell. He'll become the greatest FA running back come the offseason. Wear and tear? Where? The dude is an absolute animal coming off 2,559 rushing yards and 16 rushing TD's along with 160 receptions for 1,281 receiving yards and 4 TD receptions over the past two season's (while combining for 3,840 yards from scrimmage and 20 offensive TD's). He's been an even bigger game changer and all out animal come Playoff Football as well. Over the past two Postseasons he's combined for 424 rushing yards and 3 rushing TD's off an average of 5.2 yards per carry along with 13 receptions for 91 receiving yards and 1 TD reception. Throughout 4 playoff games he's combined for 515 yards from scrimmage and 4 Offensive TD's (with 0 Fumbles). Wear and tear? Where? He's only 26 years of age and the NFL's #1 dual threat work horse. With All-Time greatness abilities consisting of patience that's never been seen before and elite field vision. He also keeps his body and health in elite condition. We signed Curtis Martin at the age of 25 and he lasted as a Jet for 8-9 years up until the age of 33-34. But no one is asking for Bell to last here 8-9 years. A 4-5 year contract would be amazing out of Le'Veon Bell. And give me a break with all of this "wear & tear" bullshit in regards to Le'Veon Bell. Curtis Martin had 7 years of 1,000+ yard seasons and even at the age of 32 (7th season as a Jet) rushed for 1,697 yards (4.6 yards per carry), 12 rushing TD's along with another 41 receptions for 245 receiving yards and 2 TD receptions. At the age of 32 and as a 7th year Jet #28 still combined for 1,942 yards from scrimmage and 14 Offensive TD's. Le'Veon Bell runs with the same type of style as Martin once did. These guys are elite athletes and built to last. If you can afford the NFL's best overall 3 down dual threat RB at the age of 27 to a 4-5 year deal; well then you pull the trigger and watch Sam Darnold & Le'Veon Bell lead a top 5 offensive attack behind a young defense that's here to compete . I couldn't care less what anyone says a duo of Le'Veon Bell + a 1st round Franchise LT will help Darnold transition into an Elite Franchise QB way more than a Khalil Mack at 27 years of age. And this is all coming from a poster with a user name of 'Defense Wins Championships'. He's just, that good. And would become even better for our Franchise hopeful in Sam Darnold. We'd also have (roughly) another 70+ mill in available cap space (after Bell) which will become needed in order to sign a FA Edge/Outside pass rushing Free Agent (followed by building through the draft from there). To me it's a no brainier.
Stats and stats and stats and more stats. You don’t spend huge money on a RB. Especially a RB with miles on his legs known to be a Revis-like holdout D-bag.
What a freaking joke of a post that was . Where does Curtis Martin rank all time as a Jets RB? #1. #1 in rushing yards (10,302). #1 in rushing TD's (58). #1 in yards rush yards per gm (83). Where does Curtis Martin rank amongst all Jet RB's as a dual threat? #1 in receptions (367). #2 in receiving yards (2,439). The only player anyone with a brain that you could rank ahead of #28 Curtis Martin is Joe Namath due to leading us to a SB back in 1968-1969. It's funny how you laughed at his 4.0 career yards per carry as a Jet, lol, without (first) realizing that guys like Snell (4.1) and Boozer (4.0) had identical yards per carry averages. You should do more research. Only Freeman McNeil averaged higher at 4.5 ypc. But I bet you're unaware that Freenan had 45 FUMBLES as a Jet compared to only 17 Fumbles from Martin. In other words Freeman averaged a fumble once per every 39.9 attempts compared to one of the greatest (NFL) ball carriers of All-Time in Martin who only fumbled once per every 150.5 attempts (gigantic difference in greatness right there). 39.9 to 150.5? Wow. This post below is also a laughing stock of a joke. Because... 2,559 rushing yards and 16 rushing TD's along with 160 receptions for 1,281 receiving yards and 4 TD receptions over the past two season's (2016/2017) while combining for 3,840 yards from scrimmage and 20 offensive TD's... Completely says otherwise. And so does... Playoffs: 424 rushing yards and 3 rushing TD's (off an average of 5.2 yards per carry) along with 13 receptions for 91 receiving yards and 1 TD reception over the past two Postseasons (2016-2017) for a combined 515 yards from scrimmage and 4 Offensive TD's (4 games). Completely states otherwise. "Old and beaten down"? Wow. You really are delusional. Or just don't know football.
If you think the Raiders aren't coming out of this without at least one 1st round pick, you're dreaming.
If they got Mack, they would still have cap to get Laveon. Would it be worth it? Probably not. But your dream would be alive.
None of those players are even close to the same caliber. Garropolo was a backup who played well in a couple games, Sheldon played well but almost ruined his career with multiple illegal actions, Cooks was good with the Saints and is just about the only one without a bad record as well and he went for a high pick. Mack is off the charts compared to these guys. You're right about at least costing a 1st, but we have a situation where a generational talent is available, healthy, young, and clean off the field. Multiple teams are in on this (not like the cases listed). He's gonna be a kings ransom.
Okay tell me you draft one of the top left tackles coming out. Whose to say that tackle isn't going to be the next Luke Joeckel , Greg Robinson, or Ereck Flowers . You put all resources( first round pick) in finding that left tackle, and you miss - you can set the organization back years. Jmo It's silly to say right now the Jets have to draft a LT next year. If a pass rusher is ranked way higher than a LT prospect it would be silly for the Jets to not draft them.( pass rusher is just as big need at LT)
[Maccagnan] Hi, is that Reggie McKenzie? [McKenzie] Yes it is. [Maccagnan] I'm reaching out to see what you want for Khalil Mack [McKenzie] Your 2019 1st round pick, your 2020 1st round pick and Leonard Williams [Maccagnan] Thanks. <DIAL TONE>
I can't stand the myth of great RB's can't help lead you to a SB, only to use Barry Sanders as an example. Jim Brown. Walter Payton. John Riggins. Franco Harris. Roger Craig. Tony Dorsett. Ottis Anderson. Marcus Allen. Ricky Watters. Emmitt Smith. Terrell Davis. Jerome Bettis. Marshall Faulk. Corey Dillon. Jamal Lewis. Marshawn Lynch. Etc. Etc. All beg to differ. Yes, there have been All-Time greats such as... Gale Sayers. O.J Simpson. Eric Dickerson. Earl Campbell. Hershel Walker. Bo Jackson. Thurman Thomas. Barry Sanders. Curtis Martin. Eddie George. Edgerrin James. Shaun Alexander. Warrick Dunn. Fred Taylor. Clinton Portis. LaDianian Tomlinson. Adrian Peterson. Etc. Etc. Who've never won a ring. But many of them were close to doing so. And Football is also the ultimate team sport. There have been really good to great QB's to never win it all as well. Dan Marino. Jim Kelly. Warren Moon. Rich Gannon. Randall Cunningham. Vinny Testaverde. Steve McNair. Drew Bledsoe. Donovan McNabb. Tony Romo. Archie Manning. Dan Fouts. Fran Tarkenton. Etc. Etc. All I'm saying is this. The RB position has always and will always be one of my favorite offensive position's. Right behind QB and alongside WR (and yes, LT). There will always be a place in this game for All-Time great RB's (such as a Le'Veon Bell) despite fans acting as if the position is dead. • Joe Montana & Roger Craig. • Troy Aikman & Emmitt Smith. • Jim Kelly & Thurman Thomas. • John Elway & Terrell Davis. • Peyton Manning & Edgerrin James. • Kurt Warner & Marshall Faulk. If Sam Darnold is the real deal, then a QB/RB duo of Sam Darnold & Le'Veon Bell can bring us Offensive greatness for a 4-5 year period. No one can convince me otherwise.
LMAO that the TGG are all wetting their pants wanting K Mack or worse D Fowler How typical..SOJs pursuing a defensive stud when the Offense is only starting to show a pulse..sure lets destroy our QBs we worked hard to get and give up draft picks intended for a secure OL...makes NO sense Lemme tellya something a team like Green Bay could use Mack because they are about an INCH away from a SB Meanwhile the Jets are 2 or 3 teams from bottom of the barrel..but like the FO lots of fans have it azz backwards and put the cart before the horse by stacking up on D Isnt it interesting that in the last 8 years our draft selections (practically all D) and we have NO playoffs Couple that with the clueless CS who are great asking our GM to get us Sharon Lee, Busted Skrine, 2 Safeties back to back, Lazy Mo, Headcase Richardson, and that greedy f*ck Mevi$ I understand K Mack is a hard worker ..but believe me Bowles and Kacy would give him a pass if he wasnt.. they are THAT bad..Bowles waxes in his interview how "we gotta team that's jelling together and now we have depth ..but not as much talent" Complete BS ..Mac has ordered him up tons of talent including a 70 Mil cornerback! We need to score POINTS...Defense wins Championships but its the OFFENSE that gets ya there
What you fail to realize is the Colts DRAFTED Edgerrin James. Just like the Jets should draft their running back that can plug and play for the next 8 years or so. All that, and no point was made on your end ... 2020 RB class is going to be loaded. Fix the offensive line and find the pass rusher in the coming draft / FA then go after that full time RB in 2020.
To be pretend Garropolo was just another back up w.o context is pretty unreasonable.While I definitely think hes severely overrated that wasnt the consensus league wide.A QB driven league in an OFFENSIVE league if he was truly a franchise level guy & Brady’s heir apparent he was worth far more than a 2nd rounder.The Cheats were supposively asking for the Browns entire draft 6 months prior. None of the players listed were in the type of contract dispute OR command the type of contract Mack will. Thats absolutely a actor within value & negotiations. Mack might be the better player but the whole situation must be considered.
