Offensive line thoughts

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  1. Wolf Brother

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    Makes sense. I am a big fan of the zone blocking that the Texans use and Arian Foster has huge holes to run through. Was curious if the O-line would run a similar scheme devised by Sparano with the Jets. Or some form of hybrid that incorporates Wildcat Concepts or some form of Read Option. I think the Redskins run a Zone blocking scheme and so did Denver back in the Terrel Davis days.
     
  2. Big Blocker

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    I hope you are right, but Slauson is not that good even when healthy. The fact that Hunter is worse has drawn all the attention from that fact. Fact is Slauson was the worst starter on the team in 10, and has not progressed much.
     
  3. 4jetfans

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    As training camp gets closer I really hope they are keeping an eye on the market of who gets cut from the RT postion and please take a good look and pull the trigger if you can.
    Hunter STINKS,, Dont care how much they say he will change.
     
  4. Barcs

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    Weren't you arguing before that our offensive line was above average last year? If Ferguson was bad, Hunter was bad, and Slauson was bad, how is 3 out of 5 below average players on the line, above average for the line as a whole? Mangold and Moore must have been amazing last year :lol:
     
  5. Zach

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    What the...

    Who said Jets OL did above average job last year?

    3.8 yards/carry (well below average)

    40 sacks/year (that's bottom 1/3)

    Is that how you spell above-average performance? Not in my books.
     
  6. patfanken

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    You never know what you can pick up even after TC starts. Last season the Pats signed Brian Waters just 5 days before the season started as depth at the RG position. 8 plays into the first game, Koppen breaks his leg. The starting RG, Dan Connolly has to move to C, and Waters is forced into action. 15 games later Waters is a first team all pro and the only Pats starting OLman to play in all 16 games.

    So what looks like disaster in May, could be turned around by some anonymous non-descript signing in August that turns out to be gold by December.
     
  7. Big Blocker

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    I would say Slauson was between okay and mediocre. Even in 10 Slauson was not "bad" meaning Wayne Hunter bad. Part of what made Ferguson's year "bad" was covering for Slauson. Ferguson is certainly an above average lineman. So is Moore. Mangold is probably the best C in the league.

    Zach likes to focus exclusively on the sack number, while ignoring the Qb hits number. The latter was very good, the former largely a function of Sanchez's holding on to the ball too f'ing long.

    YPC is similarly not something you can totally hang on the OL. It is also a function of your RB's and whether opposing D's can stack the box because your mediocre Qb is not a real downfield threat.

    Come on, I know you follow the game. This is not rocket science.
     
  8. Footballgod214

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    That's the part of the O-Line that will improve with Hill playing opposite Santonio.

    Burress was worthless between the 20's, meaning Sanchez had to wait for Tone to beat double and sometimes triple coverage before he could throw the pig skin. By then, Hunter became WFH.

    With Hill being an effective threat and drawing respectable coverage away form Tone (and Keller) Sanchez may have a shot at finding someone open in under 6 seconds.

    Plus Hill is supposed to block very well in the running game which will help with our low YPC we had last year.

    There's a few ways that Hill will help the o-line.

    edit: we won't see any of this untill Hill pulls in a few 40 yarders.
     
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  9. Biggs

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    I suspect as long as the men their blocking stay right in front of them they will be fine. Hopefully the D's we play don't do something stupid like run a stunt.
     
  10. Zach

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    1. All right - I will admit. It's more a function of convenience, than anything. I didn't even want to bother looking up that stats. Yep. I am a lazy man. What can I say?

    2. If you want to claim that "the latter was very good" then you would have to do more than just claim so. (i.e. This is how I usually present my data: This was how Jets performed, and this was league average, and we can make this sort of comparison, yada yada yada. Now, I don't see how I can make that kind of jump from your statement. Care to provide some basis for your logic?)
     
  11. Dierking

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    Just once it would be refreshing if you could post something that has nothing to do with how big a boner you get over the Patriots.
     
  12. Big Blocker

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    It's not hard. Go to nfl.com, under stats. Go to 2011 regular season, offensive category for Offensive Line, far column on the right is Qb hits.

    At 70, the Jets ranked 22nd, with 1st being worst. That means there were 21 teams that gave up more hits than the Jets.

    Here's the link.

    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...efensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=true
     
  13. Big Blocker

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    LMAO!

    Sad but true.
     
  14. Mambo9

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    Let's all remember Slauson played the entire season with a fucked up shoulder...
     
  15. patfanken

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    Clearly my attempt at posting something positive for Jet fans...failed miserably (at least in Dierking's eyes) I can take a hint.

    I think Jet fans might be missing something in the proposed change from a "zone blocking system" to a "man blocking system". I have read many posts opining that the new "simplified" system will improve the blocking efficiency under the new OC. That may be true, especially for big strong physical guys like Ducasse, and Hunter. This new system just might be a breathe of fresh air for these guys.

    What Jet fans are failing to consider is what the effect might have on some of the other guys on the OL. Take D'Brick for example. Fergeson has never been a physical run block, but up until last season, was considered an elite pass blocker. He's a more athletic and (relatively) small LT who perfectly fit zone blocking schemes. What is this new system going to mean to him.

    Its the same for Slauson. He's been Callahan's blocking scheme since he was in college. You can't automatically assume he'll take to a new scheme right out of the box.

    So what might be a good change for some players, might just be a hardship for others. Just some food for thought
     
  16. Cidusii

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    From what I've read, the Jets are still using a zone blocking scheme but a simplified version of what Callahan ran there. If that's true, then Brick should still be okay, while players like Ducasse might not be so overwhelmed and lost half the time. That's the hope anyway.
     
  17. Barcs

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    Slauson was better in 2011 than 2010, despite multiple injuries. I see him stepping up big time this year.
     
  18. lamont_jordan_rules

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    ... RT is far and away THE biggest area of concern for this team ...

    ... i believe the FO is def hoping for a late camp cut from another team ... if this happens i will rate our offseason moves at a "Very Good" level! ...









    l_j_r
     
  19. DoubleA

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    Hunter and Ducasse are going to shut a lot of people up in this thread
     
  20. PolygamyWinsChampionships

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    You said it.

    I just thought it.

    I still haven't said it.
     

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