I'm with you. I don't understand why anyone would want Cabrera. He's not as good as ARod, and his attitude is absolute shit. If ARod got boos, what would happen when Cabrera was not only screwing up, but fighting as well?
He's not AS good but he's pretty damn close and he's only 24 and a third the price. At Yankee stadium in the middle of that lineup he may even be better. Obviously he needs his ass kicked a couple of times but Girardi is just the guy to do it. I have to laugh when I hear the Dodgers are interested. Can you even imagine how Torre would deal with him?
Just what I was hoping I would hear. "The Yankees need a third baseman to replace Alex Rodriguez, and Miguel Cabrera of the Florida Marlins is their top option. But Steinbrenner said that the Yankees’ top three young pitchers — Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy — would not be dealt to acquire a third baseman. “As far as trading one of them — and, of course, it would require someone else as well — for a position player, I have doubts about that,” Steinbrenner said. “My choice at this point would be that those three, right now, are pretty much off limits. But that doesn’t mean we can’t work something else out.” Asked if the Yankees would trade Hughes, Chamberlain or Kennedy if an elite pitcher were on the trade market, Steinbrenner had no comment. But Steinbrenner is convinced of the importance of pitching, and said, “This game is 70 percent pitching, and even more in the postseason.” It stands to reason that the Yankees would be open to trading one of their young arms for Johan Santana if the Minnesota Twins were to make him available. The Twins are trying to re-sign Santana. But it could be that the Yankees are holding back their primary trading chips in the hopes that Santana will hit the market." http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/08/sports/baseball/08yanks.html?ref=baseball
I actually posted the news about Damon returning to play left field next year in the wrong thread. Rather than discuss it in the ARod thread, if there's anything else to be said about it, it should be in here.
As far as Cabrera goes, if the Yankees want him, they better be ready to pay a king's ransom for him. Apparently the Sox were looking into it, and were told it would take Ellsbury and Buchholz to get him.
If the Red Sox give up Ellsbury or Buchholz for anything other than a top pitcher they're out of their minds... Their lineup is fine but they're clearly coming to the end of the line with a lot of their starting pitching... How much longer are Schilling and Wakefield going to be effective? Also don't be surprised if Dice Gay has a really bad year.... I was far from impressed by him.... As far as Cabrera goes.. I don't want him.... I love our youth and don't want to part with any of it to fill an offensive position that we were getting to the World Series without.... And on the Mattingly thing.... I NEVER wanted him as a manager... I loved him as a player but the guy is just bad luck IMO.... NOTHING good has happened to this team since he's been back in the dugout.... and to tell you the truth I haven't seen him do anything while coaching that would qualify him for the job.... he's just there.... and I don't buy the slap in the face or disrespected thing.... He was promised something by George.... well, George isn't in charge anymore.... the new Management is entitled to do whatever they want... If I'm promised a promotion at work by my boss and he leaves the company, I don't expect the new boss to run things exactly the same or take the word of the old boss that I'm the best candidate.... That's just reality.... something most in pro sports have no grasp of
They aren't giving up that for Cabrera. They were told that was the price and then politely declined. And you obviously know next to nothing about the Red Sox starting pitching. They have Beckett, Matsuzaka, Lester, and Buchholz, all 27 or under and locked up for the next few years. And Matsuzaka had better peripherals than Wang, so what's that say about the Yankees' rotation?
Funny... I don't remember comparing the two rotations....especially Wang, who I've never bragged about... yet after winning 2 of the last 4 WS you still act like you're chasing the Yankees... as far as the Red Sox pitching.... The only sure thing right now is Beckett... I'm not say Luster and Buchholz won't be great, I just think it's a little early to anoint them superstars... and you seem really unsure of Matsusucka.... he's destined to shit the bed this season.... just like all the other Japanese "sensations" ...
I'm not saying they're "chasing" anyone. Clearly they are currently the model franchise in MLB. I'm just pointing out the ignorance you spewed when you claimed that the Sox were "coming to the end of the line" with their starting pitching, when the fact is that they have 4 young starters, including one of the top 2-3 pitchers in the game, a rookie that threw a no hitter and projects to be a top of the rotation starter, a player who was adjusting to not only a new ball and league, but a new culture and still won 16 games and was in the top 10 in K's (indicating excellent stuff), and a lefty that came back from cancer in less than a year to pitch a gem in the deciding game of the World Series all locked up. How anyone who looks at this staff can have anything but optimism shows either blind hatred of the Sox or ignorance of their players. By they way- Hideo Nomo- 16 W, 122 ERA+, 234 K Masato Yoshii- 12 W, 101 ERA+, 105 K Kaz Ishii- 9 W, 104 ERA+, 140 K Mac Suzuki- 8 W, 117 ERA+, 135 K Even Irabu won 13, had an ERA+ of 109, and struck out 126. Those are the second year numbers for all 5 Japanese born pitchers who have started at least 50 games in the majors. Every single one of them had an ERA that was better than the league average. So to say that all Japanese pitchers "shit the bed" in their second season is, again, ignorant. next time do some simple research before making claims like that. You'll look less foolish in the end.
Good response. Clearly after much research and statistical analysis, coupled with some computer simulations you've managed to refute my points entirely. Well played sir, well played.
Yankees, Posada very close to a deal: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071111&content_id=2298364&vkey=hotstove2007&fext=.jsp
Yankees, Jets, Rangers, and knicks fan What we need to do is focus our attention on Miguel Cabrera, Derek Lee, Johan Santana, and Miguel Tejada. I love Torre, but we did need a change and Girardi was a good decision.
ok guys, jorge, arod, and mariano are all most likely headed back to the yanks, and i think that pettitte will be soon to follow after these signings. my question is : What Now? I like the direction the team is headed in, but its almost the same team as last year. i think we might need to make a few moves, maybe bullpen?, starting pitching?, first base?, outfield? Should we trade for one of the aces that is available? Santana, Peavy, sheets, bedard? what about the bullpen? take a low-risk high reward deal with kerry wood. he was pretty good last year and if he returns to form he could be great. injury concerns are obvious though. are there any other releivers available through trade? first base? miguel cabrera and mike lowell come to mind. miggy has to be at least as good as giambi defensivley and from scouting reports he hasnt even reached his best year when it comes to hitting. ***Although if we sign lowell, we get great defense, a good bat, but MOST IMPORTANTLY it takes away the red sox world series MVP. everyone is always complaining about arod not being clutch, how this guy for clutch? also unless the sox made a trade they would have to move their gold glove first baseman youkilis to third, a much tougher position, and put ortiz at first. this weakens them a lot defensivley. if we trade melky for pitching or a bat, this frees up center field for gold glover torii hunter. so basically, what do you guys think our next move(s) should be?
First priority: Talk to Andy Pettitte and convince him to return. Then either get Lowell for first, or just stick with Andy Phillips. Phillips is a quality #9 guy, can get on base, is not affected by clutch situations, and is a very good defensive first baseman. Acquiring Lowell would be, as you point out, more to hurt the Sox than anything else. I want nothing to do with Cabrera. If people complained about ARod not being "a true Yankee" WTF will they think of him? I'd also rather keep Melky in center. Hunter is a short-term solution. Melky has years of quality defensive play ahead of him. (Also Buster Olney reports that he's seen a report that Hunter is headed to Texas anyway.) I'd love Santana, but he's too "expensive" right now. I think we can wait it out, and see if we can pick him up at the trade deadline next season, or through FA. If not, oh well. I'm not willing to give up Hughes or Joba for ANYTHING.
I hope that's not true. THAT would be an overpriced contract. Not to mention the number of years. 3 years ~$30M would be more than fair. Unless they're solely trying to put the screws to Boston.
The Sox offer was 3 years $36 Million. But if the Yankees get him I don't think that it would be putting the screws to the Sox. They will find a replacement like they did with Pedro, Damon, Foulke, Mueller etc. etc.
