Comebacks mean less than wins. How many of those games did Tebow create the points by pass or rush to get the win?
I never disputed Tebow's accomplishments, I've watched entire games with him in there and wondered where some of those final drive passes were for the first 3 & 1/2 quarters, he threw some frozen rupees under pressure. But the majority of the passes I saw him throw were sickeningly bad.
all of them. He either got the TD by passing or rush or the two pointer by rush or secured the drive that scored the field goal...all in the clutch. Tebow is not a great QB, but he really truly is a clutch player. This guy is going to help the Jets.
But its only his first 16 starts, why does he not get a chance like every other QB to develop? he certainly accomplished more than most in their first 16 starts. This is the foundation of why I am on the tebot side. When the name Tebow is mentioned , logic shuts off and he is judged as if here were a 7 year veteran on a Cadillac team.
I agree. Like I said before Aaron Rodgers was terrible his first two years as a backup. Most Packer fans were calling for him to be cut. It takes a while for most college quarterbacks to adjust to the speed of the pro game. With Tebow you have to add that he has some serious work to do as a thrower, but he is unique in the intangibles he brings. Even though I don't think he is ready to be a starter yet in this league, I will continue to support him as long as so many talking heads bash him.
By the way, I can support him and still believe Sanchez is the starter and should be. This Jets team can be good this year if Sanchez does what I think he will.
So he kicked field goals? Or he always ensured that the field goals were very easy to make for Prater (the asshole douchetwat)?
I have had those same thought myself. I can't figure it out, it is like two totally different quarterbacks.
Any non biased football fan knows Denvers kicking game was ridiculous down the stretch. The defense was also very good at times. The point some people are trying to make is that maybe just maybe Tebows leadership abilities effected the rest of the team. It also could be that the team just coincidentally jelled at time.
In most cases, Tebow's "great" performances have come in the 4th Q, when Denver was trailing and McCoy threw out the "normal" playbook and had Tebow operating out of the Spread. Heck, just look at the drive against the Jet's. Huge majority of the plays came from shotgun formation with 3, 4, or 5 receivers.
Definitely. Leadership doesn't create made FG's. In four of Denver's wins they had FG's of 51, 46, 53, and 52 to win or tie the game. I wish Tebow had the ability to make Folk better but he doesn't.
Here is what I think. The most famous of prater's field goals came in the Bears game. What is lost in the amazing field goal to tie the game and send it into overtime and then the field goal that won it in over time is that Tebow was 18 of 24 for 191 yards and a TD in that 10 minute stretch. Every one talks about the field goal and even SNL lampooned it with a skit but no one mentions Tebow's cartoon like stats in the clutch. Of course Prater is all that matters and 18 of 24 for 191 and a TD in 589 seconds is crap.
Especially relevant if you're trying to evaluate Tebow's potential. Everybody seems so energized to tear him down and make sure the world understands he's not as good as somebody else, that the flashed of brilliance just get skimmed over. I think the idea is to see if he can continue developing (like any quarterback) and make those bursts be the norm instead of game-ending. I know one thing -- Tebow seems to be enough of a curveball, good enough at certain things, to force defenses to throw some junk at him. He always seemed to face something other than the other side's base defense. As soon as he can get things figured out, and the OC can play-call against the odd defenses, he could have the ability to dictate.
? you mean like win a playoff game as a starter with the worst team in the NFL in a 31 game stretch before he took a snap? Please somehow prove that statement wrong. The bar for a 16 game starter is off the charts when the name Tebow is mentioned.
Yes. However, nobody remembers the QB's that lead their teams to potentially game winning Field Goal opportunities only to watch the kicker miss. [YOUTUBE]n74KEn5ZThc[/YOUTUBE] The issue isn't whether Tebow's performance was crap or not. The question is, however, who won the game? Tebow was the set-up man and Prater the closer.
Very true. The kicker has to make the kicks Elway almost universally noted for "The Drive". What people tend to forget is that "The Drive" didn't win the game, but rather, forced it into overtime where Rich Karlis "won" the game on a FG. It's the nature of the QB position; if the QB engineers a drive that leads to a game winning score, then the QB "won" the game. It's the same way that people talk about Sanchez winning that playoff game over Manning and the Colts in 2010.
I don't strictly break it down to "who scored the final points that decided the victory?"; instead, I perceive the QB's role through the probability of field goal success-- setting the kicker up for a FG that they (statistically) should be expected to make. Getting the ball at or inside the 28 yard line will raise the kicker's expected probability of making a FG above 50%.
