Going into this year, how is it even debatable that Losman > Pennington? Lets see, younger, healthier, better arm, very accurate, less INTs, more TDs, more YPA. Better O-line, a star reciever, a RB who can catch. At least thats how I see it. I know Losman doesn't have Pennington's magic intangibles (in Jets fans eyes), and his teams record should somehow reflect him as a QB.
If Losman steps up again like he did last year he's going to be a very good QB. There's no guarantee but my gut tells me we need to be very concerned as Jet's fans.
Not exactly sure what romo has done to deserve an 11 rank. he played a few good games over a half a season? I would have romo toward the bottom.
Apparently it was missed by the Jet fans with Green covered Jet glasses how well Losman played at the end of the year. That along with the fact that our Qb can't throw a decent ten yard out or hit a receiver 30 yards downfield.
Losman was kind of up and down all year but he definitely had up games that looked like a top 10 QB. For me the main thing is looking at the difference between his Completion %, TD's and Int's and YPA gain over the two seasons. Those all said that he made huge strides last year. He needs better protection to take the next step up. If he gets it then the Bills have their best QB since Jim Kelly. If he doesn't get help then he's just as likely on the Carr progression out of town.
Stat wise Cutler's numbers were better than Chad's based on the games he played and Leinart was just about as good as Chad. After looking at Cutlers numbers I would prefer him to Chad right now.
then why is Leinart at 13 and chad at 20??? its not stat driven, its not anything...its a POS predicition of who is going to be the best QB next year...and once again....DING DING DING....chad get punked...oh well, what else is new
I can't believe Chad isn't getting more support in this thread... When Chad is in.. we win... when he's out.. we lose. Same team... If he's ordinary surrounded by talent... why don't his replacements play AT LEAST .500 ball? This is not normal. Look around the league... When Trent Green went down.. Huard came in and did better. Culpepper down... Brad Johnson leads them better record. Whenever Mcnabb goes down, his replacement plays great ball. Is everyone missing what happens to our team when he goes down? We lose!!! Why is that? Looks pretty obvious to me... He brings something that seems to get lost when the debate starts up about his weak arm. Oh.. and remember.. he took over for a QB that was 1-4 to start his own career. I'm not saying our boy should be #1.. but.. come on... he's at least in the top 10.
We went 2 and 1 with Quincy Carter on crack in 04 and should have gone 3 and 0 if not for some stellar clock manegment by our coaching staff. After Vinny went down in 99 didn't a series of bums do nothing for us until Ray Lucas took us on a 7 and 1 run? Who the back up is makes a difference. Brad Johnson was a SB winning QB and Garcia was a three time pro bowl player, Huard while unheralded was at least a solid veteran. You can't compare a young untested Brooks Bolinger to solid NFL backupd considering he was not even our back up QB. In 03 we sucked with and without Chad.
its not so much his contract as it is the way the media try to blow this guy up like hes an elite QB. far from the case. i dont think a 14 point deficit is too big for chad and his arm to overcome...i think thats blowing things a bit out of purportion. when you look at vicks numbers, even his BEST season is barely scratching the "elite" category. i would say its far from a clueless opinion to say hes in the bottom third of starting QBs....both print and tv have sucked vick off to an almost sickening magnitude. hes got a cannon arm, and like a cannon youre not sure exactly where the ball will end up....as opposed to the laser arms of manning/brady...lasers are precise... as a QB....i think mcnabb is a much better "hybrid" than vick. mcnabb has an actual skill set that is useful in that position. vick is a poor mans QB....its supported by the numbers, and by his play.
I am by no means a Vick supporter but we must face some hard facts that have been thrown in our face time and time again with Chad. When the Jets get down and they know he has to throw that is game over. Opposing teams drop everyone back in coverage and wait to pick him off. It ended that way in Oakland a few years back and New England last year. The Margin of error is to high for the Jets to beat an elite team like the Chargers or Pats in the playoffs. The Media has blow Vick out of proportion but us Jet fans have blown Chads ability out of proportion. All the smarts in the world will not help you when you have to make a play. Aikman, Farve or Bradshaw were not the smartest but they have rings. What good is all the smarts in the world if the Jets get down and he can't drill a pass into coverage when the defense knows what's coming. Time and time again Brady and all the other good ones have been able to win even when the Defense knows what' coming. Even Vick can make plays and at least make a defense have to prepare for him.
Yes, refering to the start of the season when the "shot gun" pass was more like the "shot gun" fumble; and it also seemed quite clear his arm strength had deminished from the surgery. Last year, I think he was nearly back, but I still think he can get better.
im not trying to blow chad up....i think he gets way overhyped by us (jets fans). i just dont see it as an impossible situation to come back from 2 tds with chad at the helm, and a reasonable amount of time left on the clock. hes adequate at best, and a second tier QB. as far as vick goes, he is the most overrated qb in the league. sure hes an exciting player who has ability, but he has yet to live up to the hype or his potential so to speak. his passer rating, which in my mind is a good measure of a qb, has been abysmal with respect to how "great" hes considered. hes a scatterarm, and has a hard enough time reading "dick and jane" books, let alone a defense. i wouldnt rate chad in the top 10 QBs in the league....and i think anyone who knows a little about football and the nfl knows you cant get by on brains alone. its a game that requires a certain physical prowess that chad lacks in some areas. his intelligence has def helped him overcome his shortcommings to a degree....but i dont think that will get him over the proverbial hump. do i think chads a better player than vick? no. do i think chad is a better QB? definately. i think vicks shortcommings far exceed his ability to change a game. if you put a WR like randy moss that can get down field and grab anything in a 10 foot radius i think that would improve vicks numbers, but in the end he would still be as inaccurate as a JV qb. i know when teams play the falcons their first concearn on defense is vick. thats not a testament to his ability to play the position so much as it is his ability to run with the ball. i think since vick joined the nfl hes shown that hes exciting to watch, but hes no closer to holding the lombardi trophy than damon huard.
I actually did a long post on Chad's comeback ability a few months ago. I believe that it showed that he had never brought the Jets back from a 14 point deficit to win. There might have been one game in there but I don't think so.
