I think we’re kind of on the same page, but your insistence on labeling those who don’t exactly conform with your outlook as “nuts” or “out of it “ is outright disrespectful to those, like me, that have been loyal fans for over 50 FUCKING YEARS. But I will allow for your youthful exuberance because you do make valid points. I will only ask you give us old guys similar consideration Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Gase was hired for one reason. Chris Johnson received a phone call from Peyton Manning after he had made his decision on who he was going to hire and that phone call changed his decision. He's said as much m Not advocating for Gase to be fired yet but the difference between Belichick and Gase is Belichick went from HC of the Browns to being a D Backs coach then to D Coordinator. Not right back to being a HC. Gase is more in the Rex Ryan mold, Failed HC , hired immediately after as a HC.
I didn't label you as "nuts." I intended no disrespect to you personally. I labeled expecting the Jets and Gase to do better under the circumstances as "nuts." I even showed some support and empathy by saying that I understood your bitterness and cynicism. Anyone who has been a Jets fan for over 50 years has been there with this team. For the record, I am not youthful. I am 65 and have been a Jets fan since 1965. I have been on the verge of quitting on this team several times over the years. Most recently was when Gase was hired. It's a wonder that we all aren't insane with this team. I have seen many good, long-term Jets fans lose it over the years. I have nothing but respect for other long term fans. I guess I said it poorly, but was trying to point out that your expectation was unrealistic/nuts, not you. We all can develop a bad attitude or have unrealistic expectations at times with this team. That doesn't make one a bad fan or "nuts." Sorry that you took offense.
What did Bellicheats playcalling consist off during this spell? Did he try to make a game of it or did he just set out to dink and dunk the damned ball 5 yards at a time, did he have his OL ignore one of the better sack monsters in the league and give him a free run at the QB not just once, not just twice but fucking multiple times, just how is that a good thing for a coach to do to a QB? As for the OL itself, it was utterly shit last year but they still managed to throw the ball downfield, it was meant to have been improved with two additions, so what has gone wrong with it? Are they being hindered by an out of his depth coach? We will certainly find out more as the shitshow continues on and on. Oh and one last bit, we used to use Belicheat's bad start as an excuse for Bowles as well.
And there now you have done a massive U-turn, it didn't take long, just the three games. I know you have me on block since the "expect 10 wins" incident, but it still needs saying
n I'm not mad we lost these games (except buf) I get the circumstances were heavily against us. I'm mad the way the team looks.. it feels like we literally can't move the ball as if it's impossible without Darnold. You said yourself Gase is supposed to be some QB/offensive guru well show me something. For reference the def HAS shown a lot. You can legit say if they had the players they'd be elite. If we had mahomes and the cowboys oline I wouldn't trust this offense right now. That's the problem.
Kyle Allen was undrafted Gardener Minshew 6th Rd. Rookies! Inexperienced! Their teams and coaches didn't start dinking and dunking the whole game. They put a gameplan together that matches what they can do and their offenses are miles ahead of ours. That's what we want to see. How are there fans even arguing this point?? We have a bad oline? Ok plan for it! Roll out, bring in extra guys on the line, have two rbs in the backfield.. we're not saying the team should be good if we don't have the players we don't have the players but the product on the field screams our coaching is inept and do not know what to do or not trying.
The Cowboys have the Cowboys OL. They put up 10 against the Saints. The Saints D is ranked 26th. They did score against the Dolphins, Giants and Redskins. 32, 25 and 28 in D. I believe they had their starting QB in the NO game?
I'm not disagreeing that Gase hasn't tried anything different or that he should have. I'm not disagreeing that his system may not be a good one or may not be right for the Jets. That's part of the issue, but not the whole issue by any means. Unless I'm mistaken, the BIG differences between the Jets and the Panthers and Jags are that they have different HCs and OCs; neither the Panthers nor Jaguars HCs are new to their teams, so they have stability of systems, players, and coaches; both the Panthers and Jaguars have better OL talent and better offensive talent around those rookie QBs. Those are HUGE differences. They may each have a new OL starter, but most of their OL players have been playing together for at least a year or two, have developed chemistry, worked out the kinks in their blocking schemes or have players that can execute that scheme, they have better OL talent than we have, and they got to practice together during TC and in preseason games. Ours did not. If you understand anything about OL play (which I'm assuming that you do), then you KNOW that's a big difference and a big handicap for any offense. I think you could put Allen or Minshew behind our OL and they'd look as bad as Falk, but it could also be that they're better QBs than Falk is, and that would make a difference. I also think that even if the Jets had installed either the Panthers' or the Jaguars' offenses on the Jets back during OTAs, had that team's OC running our offense, with our OL and the lack of practice time together they've had, I don't think the results would be appreciably better. I could definitely be wrong about this, but I think it's too early to determine that for certain. It looks that way based on what Gase did in Miami, but this isn't Miami. Gase may not change, but it isn't impossible that he will learn and grow and make changes. He didn't have Douglas with him in Miami. Douglas could talk with him and get Gase to see that he needs to make some changes. Sam may have a better QB mind than Tanneyhill or whomever the other QBs were in Miami. We know that Sam has been asking Gase a lot of questions. Maybe Sam's questioning could spur Gase to make some changes. IMO what will determine Gase's future is what happens with the offense when Sam is back to full health and had some practice time and is back on the field with Herndon. If the blocking schemes and execution haven't improved, we'll know it's Gase's fault. If the play calling hasn't improved and the offense doesn't show significant improvement and start scoring at least 20 points a game, then we'll know it's Gase's fault. At that point in time, I'll be ready to say that he must go, and will join you and others in hoping that he is fired at that time or at the end of the season. I'm just not certain that will happen. Douglas and/or Chris Johnson might decide that Mac's lousy drafting, the lack of OL and offensive talent, and all the suspensions and injuries gave Gase no chance to hit the ground running and build confidence in his system/scheme. They may decide to give him another year with better talent and luck and see what happens. If that happens, I won't be happy, but won't be surprised.
I'm commenting in response to the posters who say Mike McCarthy would have been a bad Jets HC because he only won 1 SB with Aaron Rodgers. This logic is irrational. The Packers never had the best, or even a top 3, team in the NFC talent wise during his stay. There was no expectation that they win superbowls because they have always had holes. Especially defensively and in the running game. When they won the SB they were a 10-6 team who came together at the end of the season. Not some 13-3 Aaron Rodgers led juggernaut. Several years they also suffered key injuries. Yet they made the playoffs 9 out of his 13 seasons. Went to the NFC championship 4 times. The reasons they lost in the playoffs were never directly McCarthy's fault. Usually the defense played poorly against top offenses. Sometimes Rodgers played poorly. But mostly it was because they were playing far more complete teams - with top defenses to match their offense. Seahawks, 49ers, Giants, even the Falcons simply had more talent when they beat the Packers in the NFC championship 44-21 (after leading in the 3rd quarter 31-0). McCarthy may not be the top coach in the league but what he has accomplished compared to Gase is not even comparable. For the first time in over 20 years we had a chance to get a proven winner at HC. I'm not sure when we will have that chance again. Maybe in another 20 years?
I agree, and am angry that we let McCarthy slip through our fingers. Ever since Parcells, the Jets have hired first time HCs, and we became the training ground for them. None of them went on to success. Last year we had a chance to break that trend with McCarthy, a proven winner, and more importantly, someone who knows how to work with young FQBs. Instead, we "break the trend" with a proven loser, Gase. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, and had hopes that given another chance he would live up to his reputation as a QB Whisperer and offensive guru, but it's taken only three games to see that he's holding onto the same bad issues that caused him to get fired from Miami. I understand he's not going to be fired...yet, so I hope that he's had his eyes opened and woken up to the fact that HE's the problem and changes his ways, but I'll believe it when I see it. As I understand it, McCarthy is still available, and should Gase continue to have his head up his ass, I hope that Chris has the balls to fire his ass and give McCarthy a call, and this time, give him what he wants.
They had the best talent the year before, the year the won and the year after the won the SB. They were upset in the first round by the Cardinals the year before and had a home field bye the year after and lost to the Giants at home. They were 15 and 1 that year and obviously the best team in the league. The Giants blew them out in the 4th quarter in Green Bay. Mike had a bye week to prepare and was caught with his pants down. Notice the Packers haven't gone into a tail spin since they fired him.
They were big players in free agency this off-season which the never were before. Completely rebuilt the D which has been carrying them so far this season.
