What would be the point in bringing in Nick Foles at this point? He's a young QB with work to do if he wants to succeed in this league. We have 3 of those guys already on the team.
He did set the NFL all time TD to INT efficiency record. I don't think Petty or Hackenberg have done that yet.
Hey, I never said Fitz was a great QB. He's mediocre, but that's way better than Geno, who was consistently ranked near the bottom of the league in pretty much all categories. 31 TDs and 15 picks is something Geno could never even dream of. Or maybe he has improved? Who knows, he might start this year, although I'd rather see some competition or Fitz come back.
This is what makes me laugh. Geno only played 2 years on some bad teams. Fitz been around 11 years and still makes the same mistakes. I read somewhere that Fitz could had been picked off 30 times this past season. I know all QB's can throw more ints then there stats says but 15 more?
Actually a study was done in reviewing all of his throws and he threw 30 intercept able passes last year.
There is no point in Foles.....Fitz will be back if you listenend to any of Macs interviews he expects Fitz back and was talking like he was still on the team
Considering Fitz has played several seasons without setting INT records, I'd venture it's more likely the problem is with the stat than Fitz.
Good Lord. That's $500k of his demanding salary for each potential interception. I think he needs to come back down to earth.
Just thought this was funny, if he threw only 5 interceptions it would then be $3M per interception. Really not a good correlation. Anyway, the guy that does the calculations for what he considers interceptable passes also reduces the number by what he considers interceptions not the QBs fault. Once such reason is pass tipped at the line of scrimmage, seems to me that is something still in the QB's control yet he adjusts for it. That was the 1st reason I couldn't take him seriously. I then found all the clips of passes he considers interceptable. Here is the first one for Fitz, Terrible pass yes but if he considers this interceptable I question everything else in his calculations. None of this is an attempt to back Fitz but judging him off completely fabricated statistics is ridiculous. And yes $15M is absolutely way too much if that is still what he wants.
LOL Very good point. if anything should be the inverse. Potential of 10 interceptions over X attempts is $15, 20 is half that and 30 is 2/3 that or some such madness. Great point on fabricated statistic though. At the end, is all about how much more can he add to the win/loss column than say Geno, or Foles or whomever versus $$$ invested. I have a feeling that the gap is smaller than many think.
How many TD's would he have thrown if guys ran the right routes/didnt drop passes/etc? There are two sides to every story. How many of his 15 picks were thrown in situations like the Buffalo game where the team was in a huge hole and needed to throw on every play? Stats can only tell you so much.
It is a difficult thing to judge for sure. You see a pass like that and its hard to tell if he was just throwing it away or if he really thought that he wanted to complete that pass. If that was the read he made and he wanted to complete that pass then shit- that's easily an "interceptable" pass and a likely pick 6 by the looks of it. But who knows what is going through his mind. Fitzpatrick gets the ball out quickly and maybe judging by the circumstance the plan was to throw it there or throw it away because an incompletion doesnt matter. He drops back - sees he isn't going to complete it, and throws a pass that no one can catch. That's the thing about throwing it away these days. Refs are quick to throw that intentional grounding flag so even if you throw it away it has to be near someone. Picking it out individually like this as a 3rd party you dont know if a guy is just throwing it away and avoiding the flag or really trying to complete the pass. -- But- there is some merit to the idea that a guy got away with a lot of would be interceptions for sure. I think that's something that is very important to consider, not dismiss, its just hard to pick them out or hard to measure. All QBs get some luck but just by watching all of Fitzpatrick's games last season I would say its a fair point to say he had quite a bit of luck last year and should've thrown more INTs. Even if its not something I can pick out and measure individually. Sanchez in 2010 was the same way getting away with some lucky passes and it caught up to him. Fitz threw it up for grabs a lot last fall especially in the end zone. Brandon Marshall also bailed him out a lot. I don't think its a coincidence that the fly routes he threw to Devin Smith were picked off and the fly routes he threw to Marshall weren't. None of them were good passes, Marshall is just better at going up and fighting for the ball.
Yup. I’m a big advanced metrics guy, but you have to look at everything from both sides. The truth is, there are some picks he threw on balls he simply had to force down the field late in games. That’s going to happen to every QB. There are also plenty of balls he threw where the receiver didn’t make the play (Brandon Marshall first NE game) and where DB’s made good plays. The other guys get paid to play too. That has to be remembered. I remember a particular throw against the Eagles where he had 1 on 1 coverage down the sideline and threw the ball. It was a pretty solid decision but the DB made the play and intercepted the ball. Stuff like that happens as well. As frustrating as things can be at times it’s important to judge the decision and not only the result.
No doubt that some QBs get away with what should be interceptions but the video I posted, to me, was an example of why this particular guys stat of interceptable passes is not really worth considering. Yes, if it was thrown at the TE's chest where he was in the video it may have been intercepted but maybe Davis did not make his cut quick enough? He makes that cut a yard earlier it might be a reception. Maybe Fitz was throwing it where Davis was supposed to be, a yard closer to the LOS and the defender would have to go through Davis to get the ball. So many different ways you can look at it, depends the point of view you are going for. That is really not my point though, the throw where it was and where the defender was in not at all interceptable in my eyes. He barely got his fingertips on it. The writer says this though, "The ball arrived in a spot where he could have comfortably caught it if he had used both hands, instead he just tipped it away with one." There is no way the defender can get there with both hands, turning his body to get his other hand around would have slowed him down and he would not have even tipped the ball let alone "comfortably" catch the ball. This is why I am discounting this particular writers "interceptable" stat. Here is another example Terrible throw? Yes. Interceptable? I don't really think so
I frankly don't know the details of the film evaluation. I'm sure it was based on passes overthrown or underthrown that a CB had a chance to catch. Yes, there are 2 sides to every story of course.
There's nothing interceptable about that. Who said it was? I get it. We want Fitz back because he's our best shot to win. I don't think anyone is debating that. But in the scope of what he did, the point is he's not an elite QB, and we can very likely accomplish similar results with comparable QBs. Problem now is there aren't any comparable QBs left on the market. Short of us trading for McCown (and maybe Foles but I'm not too sold). Then there's Kaep, but that becomes a question of is he more worthy of the money given his age and historical success. Not sure about that either. End of day, the Jets will re-sign Fitz. Or trade for a QB. And point is, Fitz isn't SO GOOD that he's the only option, although of course should be plan A. He's an average QB who found some success with us last year. Which on it's own should be reason enough to bring him back.
I saw two GIFs from the evaluation and both were really questionable IMO. Def bad passes by Fitz but nothing that I would look at and say they should've been picked for sure. Tons of DBs drop interceptions. Not many of em have good hands. If they did they would either be WRs or every QB in the league would average 5-10 more interceptions a season. The way I see it, it's fine to say a player didn't play great no matter what his stats were, but when people start saying he should've had less TDs or more INTs is when it becomes a little much. No QB has a 4000 yard 30 TD season by accident.
I agree, but who said those were passes that were considered? I don't understand the point and why we're even reacting to them. It's easy to pick a couple of passes out and use them as examples, but if we don't know what passes were considered 'interceptable' and if we don't know that those 2 were among the count, I don't understand why we're referencing them. I also don't know who said he should have had less TDs. Where is that coming from? And who said his season was by accident? It was no accident. The point is, given his career history, is it fair to state it's a system benefit and surrounding talent, and vs the money required is he the right move? I think he is, but that's a valid debate to have.
