Any rational fan should be pro-owner, particularly when that fan's team is a good team. The players want to increase player movement, reducing free agency eligibility. The players do not want a draft. The players want a complete free market, as if they are in the auto industry and the teams are competitors in the marketplace. A balanced league with limited player movement and the best draft in sports is what made the NFL great. Why would any fan want to mess with that??
because the players fighting it out in courts for years is gonna solve everything the fact is the owners were at the table making offers in march and the players are the ones who walked away from the table not the owners frankly there all scumbags because there all rich spoiled idiots fighting over millions but ill take the side who is willing to sit down and settle this
Think it's time for a Title change. How about, "Asshole Judge bends every single player over a table"?
Every time I see the title of this thread I think that the whole matter might be settled faster if it was heard by Judge Holden.
how do you know the players want to get rid of the draft? wtf? listen they all have a shit ton of money, but we had a deal that was fine. the players accepted taking less money, but the owners wanted them to take less than they already agreed to wtf? that is pretty fucked up. especially when the nfl is making more $$ than ever.
Funny how you righties take the sides of the super rich even in a case of this sort. To answer your question, you don't think the quality of play would decline if players were paid substantially less? You don't believe compensation has a direct relation to quality of performance? If you don't believe that, then how can you believe in capitalism? To be clear, optimally neither side should win as far as I am concerned. The reality though is this ruling by the GOP judges will mean a reconciliation is less likely in the short run, and the season is now more in jeopardy than less so. It was the intention of the NFL all along to break the players. But that will take some doing, and the real leverage the league has, at is has all along, is the lockout. And a lockout means no football. Hope you are happy with no football.
1. I'm not saying I sympathize with the players... just saying it's absurd the law is based so much on interpretation and so little on facts. The chances of winning or losing in court don't depend on who's right or wrong but on if your judge is a democrat or a republican... this isn't justice, it's politics. 2. That said yeah I actually side with the players because I think the owners tried to fuck with them and not viceversa...
I'm not taking sides, but the players demands, if met, would ruin the product. My example was purposely exaggerrated to point out that I don't care about the players. It's not for me to care about them, either. They are already being paid commensurate with their abilities, and you know that. The owners aren't trying to take that away from them. That being said, I just want football. I could care less who wins at this point.
You clearly have zero clue what you're talking about. Either you're really an Italian in Italy that knows jack shit about the American judicial system, or you're a fuckn' loser here in America sitting in a library pretending to know jack shit about the American judicial system. Either case, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Really you still have doubts of where I come from ? That said I do know nothing about the American justice system... but you can't deny the facts two democrats sided with the players and two republicans sided with the NFL. That's just a fact. And the whole debate heading up to this 8th circuit appeal thing wasn't how good a reason the players or the owners had but the fact the 8th circuit was very conservative...
Not having read the opinion closely, and to be frank I tried and was too sickened reading it, realizing it will do about as much as anything to kill off the coming season, or the season that will not be, it seems, I was amazed by the lack of credence given by the appellate court to the district court's finding of irreparable harm to the players. How could that be? What independent review did the appellate court conduct? It is I am sorry to say all about politics, which is why I have less and less respect for the courts. I also think we may disagree about how likely or less so the season's death may be as a result of this opinion, but I think I am right. Unfortunately.
I really wish I had the power to walk away from this sport.It really is sickening in todays economy that the rich just want to keep getting richer and we are supposed to feel sorry for one side against the other. Just play the fucking game and stop being such greedy bastards!
I'm currently reading War Without Death which is Mark Maske's inside account of the 2006 NFC East season. It deals fairly extensively with the negotiations over the last CBA at the beginning of 2006 and seems to have a pretty good inside track on Tagliabue and Upshaw's attitudes and behaviours; I do find myself wondering how much of this current dispute is related at least in part to the owners still being pissed at taking what they felt was the crappy end of the last deal.
no, the quality won't decline. the players in 40's, 50's 60's and 70's played pretty hard and they didn't make shit. if the players don't play hard they will make even less money, especially considering the fact that there are no guaranteed contracts, and under performing can both lead to a release and less money from the next club that signs them. they have no choice but to play hard and maximize how much they earn. their expectations of what they will earn will simply be less than before but they will still play hard to maximize how much they can earn. it isn't as if there will be other options for these players to make more money. there isn't another league to pay them and they aren't going to leave the NFL and make comparable money elsewhere.
I would like to apply your perception to people working on Wall Street, corporate CEO's, in fact whatever you do for a living. The fact is you're merely speculating. Comparison to the forties is hardly relevant. Among other things, relative to each other the players back then played hard. But the money involved in today's sports encourages those who might go into football and succeed to do so, where lack of money might not. I just find it amazing that people will accept at face value that not paying people will not affect their performance and even whether they play the game at all.
