Mark Sanchez probably didn't have as much to do with that 0-5 stat as much as the fact that the Jets were a far superior team to the Bills on all five occasions. It's pointless showing a QB's record vs another QB because they don't even take the field at the same time.
I see you not only have problem with reading comprehension, but also with math. I should have known the public school system up there in Mass. was totally busted. 1. 35% accounts for the easy run conversions too (which could go nearly 75%+) So if you take that out, you get HIGHER than 35%, right? Good, genius. I knew math was your strong suit. 2. Sanchez converted 35% of his passes on 3rd down - or that was Cosell's contention. If that were to be the weakness on Sanchez's part, then the argument above shouldn't hold either. Say, other top-tier QBs should be converting good 50% through the air alone - then the 3rd down conversion ratio will be above good 60% to say the very least. (Which is not the case for any team; last year's Saints came close at 57%; and no other team did better than 50%.) Like I said, 35% overall is about the league average - so if Sanchez could pull that off through the air alone, then he's doing pretty well. (The team will be doing better than 35% if Sanchez is delivering 35% through the air already, provided the run game provides enough support.) But then I didn't think you had the mental capacity to understand this much. Blame your public school education, son. EDIT: Last year's average is around 38% or so, thanks to the outliers (top 3 teams near/beyond 50%) but that aside, the argument still holds. 3. Jets overall converted 35%, regardless of Sanchez passing or not - thus, it stands to reason that, Jets converted only 35% through the ground as well. Jets run game is equally culpable for the poor execution on 3rd down. Now, if both rushing and passing option fails to execute up to the league average, the blame goes straight to the quarterback, right? Yeah. I knew you were brilliant. You don't disappoint me there either. (Are you professor? of what? being a retard? You'd make a real good one for that specified field.)
LMAO, it's funny to see you put so much effort into making fun of how stupid I am (no arguments there) but make a statement that proves you have no idea what you're talking about. The 35% number has absolutely NOTHING do with with any runs of any kind. What Cossell said was that if Sanchez threw the ball 100 times on 3rd down, the Jets would have gotten 35 first downs. What does the running game have to with that? I'll patiently wait for your answer. Now I'm from Massachusetts, so maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about, but I'd figure that would depend on a team's run/pass ratio on 3rd down. For instance, if a team has 200 3rd down plays, but only passes on 50 of them. Well, then a QB could have a 50% conversion (25 plays) and the overall team ratio could be anywhere between 12.5% and 87.5%. Either I'm missing something or you don't know what you're talking about. Seeing as how I'm from Massachusetts I'll let you determine which is the case. Do you have any evidence at all to support this statement? Or did you just pull it out of your ass? LMAO, dude, my name is Professor Frink. YouTube some videos of him, and you'll realize that I don't take myself too seriously
He sure did last year, Fitzpatrick cut way down on the turnovers and really settled into it once he signed that huge contract. What a player.
Learn to read, son. Ok. Jets converted 35% through the air and the ground. (You can look it up through the nfl.com website.) League average is 38% last year. (Again, you can check that from nfl.com, though you'd need some work on your part.) so if Cosell's contention is true, then Jets converted 35% from the ground as well, meaning, the offense in general was inept. (Teams tend to convert better on the ground in short-yardage situation, and don't even bother running on 3rd and 4+; 35% conversion ratio through the ground is simply inexcusable.) So there goes my bit; if the offense in general sucks, unable to do a damn thing either through the air or ground, it's a weakness on the QB, right? (Unless you are severely retarded, you should be able to see that the cause lies deeper than that.) 1. I provided first-hand reference. (Situational football by Bill Walsh) 2. I even provided corrected stat for last year (which is 38%, a little higher than 35%. This is straight from nfl.com) Are you that retarded to even figure this out? What a pity, son. What a pity. P.S. Last, but not the least: you initiated the personal attack, not me.
If your assertion is that Sanchez looked bad because the offense around him was bad, that's fine. But Cosell's counter to that was the problem lies within his coverage recognition and intermediate and deep accuracy. The accuracy concerns are pretty obvious, and neither of us is in a position to talk about his coverage recognition, whereas Cosell can because he's actually watched film. The 38% number comes from ALL 3rd down conversions, which has nothing to do with the conversation. To effectively judge Sanchez' 35% number, we need to know how often all QBs converted a 1st down when asked to throw the ball last year. A book by Bill Walsh does nothing to provide us with this information. I said your argument was bullshit, if you want to take that as a personal attack feel free. But in general, I would say you should lighten up. I wasn't offended when you said I got a poor education, and I'm not offended that you keep referring to me as "son" (although I do think it makes you sound like a tool, considering you have no idea how old I am.) It's all in good fun, and I've been around long enough for anyone to know that I'm just here to have a good time and talk football, even if there are some insults hurled in the process.
You obviously cannot read. Jets converted total of 35% of 3rd down attempts. Sanchez (if Cosell's contention is true) converted 35% through the air. So, what does that mean for the 3rd down conversion through the ground? (Yes, it is 35% through the ground too - it's elementary algebra; which also means Jets offense in general was inept, regardless of the passing or running.) And I have said times and again about how bad OC can literally affect the QB's reading of the defense, with plethora of evidences and examples. (which you either refused to read or didn't bother reading.) Good OCs can be dealt with a dumb QB (like Carmazzi) - then you know you have a bust. Bad OC? Bad OC sure cannot make a QB look like a HoF quality QB regardless of whether the QB can actually be good or not. ============================================= And you can go look up the 3rd down stats of other QBs too. The point is though, you do not want to face 3rd down if you don't need to - simply because converting 1st down from 1st/2nd down is much easier. (As stats say. 1st down conversion from 1st/2nd down is about ~60%, and from 3rd down is below 40%. It was 38% last year, but usually you can take 35% as the rule of thumb.) Unless you are looking at some select few offenses (like New Orleans) conversion through the air won't be anywhere over 40% tops. (Brees had some literally ungodly number on 3rd down - hence their 57% conversion ratio on 3rd down.)
I'm not saying this to be mean, but Fitzpatrick, being the ONLY Harvard educated QB in the NFL, should be smart enough to know he'll never be an elite NFL QB. Fitz is the Wayne Hunter of QB's. Hitting 30, always a journeyman, played OK one season, got a fat contract, then folded at the worse times. And it was the Sanchez led Jets that knocked Fitz off his high horse last year just after inking his mega deal. And he was never the same afterwards. Both Sanchez and Fitz are avg QBs with a fan base that hopes they will have a great year. But every Bills fan in Canada would swap Fitz for Nacho in a heart beat. Including you.
The biggest difference between Fitz and Sanchez is that the Jets organization mortgaged their future to get this guy and picked him in the top 5. He is supposed to be the man. The guy. A top QB, playing on an elite level. Fitz was a 7th round pick that signed as a free agent. The fact that the two are being comparable is a testament to what a disappointment Sanchez is. If Fitz doesn't work out, no big deal. If Sanchez doesn't work out, its re-build and Rex loses his job.
Mortgaged their future? Really? Abram Elam or Ratliff, who was the bigger loss? Or sign a one year wonder to a huge contract.
The trade was an absolute heist. We got a franchise QB for the next decade plus for essentailly a 2nd rd pick and a bunch of backup players. You guys paid Fitz like he has done something in this league, he never has. sanchez has proven the Jets can win w/ him, Fitz has never even played a meaningful game in December(and barely Nov- the only one was the smack down at Orchard park vs. the Jets last year).
So because you don't have high expectations for Fitz, it's ok? If the Bills plan on him being a franchise QB (they paid him like one) they get restarted too if he isn't one. Its just their going from bad to worse while the Jets are going from great to bad.
Didn't Fitz receive a franchise QB-type contract extension last season? How much would the Bills be on the hook for if they decide to go in another direction?
That and this is only Sanchez' 4th year so he's still developing. Fitzpatrick is what he is. A grossly overpaid backup.
That's not exactly correct. Your 10 year "franchise QB just signed a contract that will make it easy for the Jets to dump him after next season. So you may believe he's going to be the starter for the next 10 years, many Jet fans don't think he'll be the starter for the next 10 months.....and the FO isn't counting on anything beyond the next season. BTW- IIRC, one of the Jet players sent to the Brown is now an excellent starting OLman. But not to worry, the Jets don't have any OL problems.
I'd say a lot of fans are in wait and see mode. Structuring contracts that make sense isn't a bad thing. The Browns got Alex Mack, not sure how he'd work except as a very expensive backup to Mangold lol.
You recall incorrectly as the Jets sent 3rd string QB Brett ratliff, DE Kenyon Coleman and S Abram Elam. None of those guys are still on the Browns and none of them are OL. The Jets will not be letting Sanchez go anytime soon, he's our guy, he's helped us to 2 title game apps and he's only played 3 seasons.
