New York Jets: The Most Overrated Defense In The NFL

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  1. Keeper1125

    Keeper1125 Member

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    It's an awful article that makes no cogent arguments. Why are we wasting time discussing it?
     
  2. IrishSteveZ

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    Unbelievable, how the heck do these idiots have jobs?
     
  3. sec314

    sec314 Well-Known Member

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    Who cares what you favorite writers are
     
  4. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    He doesn't appear to have a job as a sportswriter. By his own admission, he found a link on Facebook asking for retard bloggers to 'write' about sports. He is no more qualified to be published than anyone on this site.
     
  5. Tballlz63

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    i bet it's bosko.
     
  6. Salz

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    He's trashed in the response by a guy named James Hopper. They go back and forth and Hopper owns him. Issac's retorts are "LMAO" type stuff.
     
  7. Salz

    Salz New Member

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    This was a great reply:

    Mike Alfredo about 19 hours ago

    "This article is garbage. Not because of the claim that the Jets defense is perhaps overhyped, which very well may be the case - but rather because of the arguments that the author used to backup this claim. This article reads as though the author has never actually seen half of these players play (which I believe to be the case) and bases his arguments off of statistics and reputation. Everyone knows that Revis is a highly talented cornerback and that Rhodes has been vastly overrated thus far... this is not earth shattering.

    Let's look at some of the failures in this article.

    Failure #1: Listing Kris Jenkins as average. Anyone who watched the Jets defense last year understands that Kris Jenkins not only is not average, but he's the lifeblood of the defense. When Jenkins played, the defense was nearly dominant at times... without Jenkins, they often look soft and unable to stop a high school team. This is a MAJOR fallacy, and if the author really wanted to present a stronger argument, he could've argued that the lack of a solid backup for Kris Jenkins is a major glaring weakness on the Jets defense and WILL be glaring on gameday this season.

    Failure #2: Lumping Calvin Pace and Bryan Thomas into the same category. On paper, it might seem like these two are similar players, however watching the Jets tells a very different story. It is true that Mangini tried to use them the same way, however their skill sets are very different and this fact only shined through in the rare instances that they were used properly. Calvin Pace was a pass rushing force when used as such coming off the right edge. All too often however Mangini would have him dropping back to cover tight ends and to be quite honest Pace couldn't cover a paper bag.

    Thomas is more of an inline run stopper than pass rusher, though he will occasionally bring good pressure. Thomas has been a chronic underachiever his entire career and could easily be replaced by Gholston if Rex Ryan is able to make something of him. While Thomas has sporadic impressive moments, he's nothing more than a hold the fort player until the team sees the need to replace his specific position (which they already did).

    So, it's weak to lump a rock solid playmaker and a hold the fort holdover into the same category when they just aren't the same. One of the major factors in how good the Jets defense really will be is whether or not Rex Ryan is able to make anything of Gholston. If he does, then it's as if the Jets are getting an extra first round pick this season - which makes the whole team stronger. Gholston truly is the x-factor to this defense.

    To the author - please don't write this garbage about a team you've never seen before. You rely too much on statistics and common knowledge. Watch some game film and bring new and unique insights into the table, and then your work will be considerably better."
     
  8. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    What a waste of time. This guy wasted his quality time on a moron who couldn't even differentiate 3-4 DE and 4-3 DE. Epic collapse.

    *Good write-up, but I would have liked to see the sacks Seymour and Aaron Smith racked up last year too. They are paltry, if you know what I mean.*
     
  9. bojanglesman

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    Excellent reply, but I agree, it might fall on stupid ears.
     
    #49 bojanglesman, Jun 29, 2009
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    So than you're saying 9 wins and their 16th overall defensive ranking form 2008 makes them elite?
     
  11. The Uniform Bomber

    The Uniform Bomber Spivey's Agent

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    Jeez, you really have no reading comprehension skills, do you?
     
  12. bojanglesman

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  13. nyjcanada

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    i like to judge my defense on the number of wins the team gets.
     
  14. nyjcanada

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    ^ kidding, you're just retarded.
     
  15. nyjcanada

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    not even more qualified than FTP?
     
  16. feelthepain

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    Well you have to make something up I guess. Maybe since this guy is so wrong you can elborate on what exactly makes the Jets D elite? Or at the very least why anyone would give the Jets Defense more credit than they deserve.
     
  17. The Uniform Bomber

    The Uniform Bomber Spivey's Agent

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    I never said anything about the Jets Defense being elite or not elite. You're fishing. And catching nothing.

    Despite his article's viewpoint, the writer is clearly uneducated if he's judging 3-4 DEs by their sack numbers.
     
  18. feelthepain

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    I disagree, he talked about the Dline, LB's and the secondry and everything he said wasn't solely predicated on sakcs. He talekd about tckls and numbers produced form the previous season. He also talked about career statistics and what the coaches bring to the table.

    I find it amusing how everything negative about the Jets draws such hate and need to sling insults. I'll promise you had the writer called the Jets a top 5 defense, then he would have been dead on, no matter how many sacks he taled about.

    All the guy did was make a valid argument that until the Jets prove they're a legit D, they shouldn't be labled one. That would go for any team. Try not to overreact to every report that doesn't call the Jets great with hate just because it may n ot be what you wanted to read.

    Miami had a better season than the Jets and Jet fans can call the Dolphins a once season wonder, even though that has yet to be proven. But if everyone doesn't agree the Jets are awesome, Jet fans get pissed? Geez talk about double standards.
     
  19. The Uniform Bomber

    The Uniform Bomber Spivey's Agent

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    Do you know much about the game of football? Or, actually, just reading and interpreting?

    He said the Jets DL was average and then used sack numbers to back this claim:
    Prior to that, he also gave Ellis' and Jenkins' sack totals. Looks, to me, like he's using sacks as criteria. No?

    So, essentially, he's saying the Jets DL is average-at-best because of their sack numbers. Anyone who knows anything about 3-4 DL, will tell you (and this writer) that stats are insignificant; the DL's job is to eat up space, take on opposing OL and stuff the run. If they happen to rack up some numbers, fine great, but that is not their purpose.
     
  20. joykilla

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    Amazing. Well this just sums up a bitter Raven fan who lost part of his Defense.
     

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