I think Tebow presents a different mystery to fans and experts. Two separate mysteries. To fans (and in this I include pundits and media commentators, all non-NFL competent onlookers), they look and say "Why doesn't he see he's not a quarterback, that he's just not meant to be one." The old "he's a Clydesdale in the Kentucky Derby" argument that Hoge makes. To experts, the mystery is more subtle -- they look at him and say "the things he does well can't be taught, and the things with his throwing are fixable. Why haven't those been fixed?" They know what they're looking at -- Steve Young has said the things he's trying to fix are fixable, as has George Whitlock. So for them, it's more like "What's going on? Is he getting good advice?" Neither "mystery" reflects particularly well on Tebow, mind you. It's just a different way of seeing it.
1) I don't know how many times I have to say that I am saying what I think Tebow himself should be concerned with. I have no stake in what Tebow becomes in the NFL. Is it creepy for you to think he should be a punt protector, TE, FB, or not playing football? Are you not concerning yourself in another man's affairs? I really don't see the difference. You're not even a fan of his, yet you post all day in the Tebow forum. That my friend, is creepy. 2) If the Packers asked Aaron Rodgers to play linebacker, I don't think he would say yes. He would flat out refuse. I'm not saying Tebow should refuse what his coaches ask. I'm saying he should be aware of the consequences.
First off, you make that statement as if Tebow was some sort of hot commodity. 6 teams were in the mix, wowowowow. If teams really saw the next big thing for their franchise, he would have gone for far, far more than a piddly 4th round pick. That's punter and special teams territory when you are talking about someone that has shown their NFL hand, and is only 24 years, so lets be realistic. Second, if you didn't think he was being shopped around before Manning was singed, and the time between the Manning signing and the Tebow trade, then you are delusional. NFL teams are not in the business of drafting someone in the 1st round, and trading them less than 2 years later for a 4th round. That constitutes a very shitty investment. Denver's front office had Tebow on the block for weeks leading up to that trade. The confidence in him to lead any team was nil. The confidence in him being a backup behind Mark Sanchez was a 4th round pick, and even that was reaching according to most analysts. Consequently, Jacksonville had a chance to mend their attendance woes, and sign Tebow to start in front of Blaine Gabbert, who, at the time, was a 22 year old rookie coming off of a fairly terrible first season. Even with Gabbert's awful rookie campaign, Tebow was told he would not start for the Jags, and would sit behind a rookie. Here is the kicker; Jacksonville's 4th round pick was more valuable than New York's 4th round pick, and Denver would have taken it if it was offered. So the Jags best offer was likely a 5th. Nobody sees him as a quarterback. Not even his home town, where apparently he walks on water.
In the real world, the best starting quarterback is never asked to play anything but quarterback. Furthermore, the worst starting quarterback is usually not asked to play anything but quarterback. They just end up as a career backup. Quarterbacks that aren't really quarterbacks are asked to play positions other than quarterback.
It's pretty much common sense. But I completely understand why you wont accept it. Tebow was out of Denver the second Elway took over, and even before that, when McDaniels was fired. It was just a matter of time, and the Manning signing sealed the deal. As for Jacksonville's trade offer, use your head for a second: - Jacksonville had the 6th pick in the 4th round. - The Jets had the 13th pick of the 4th round. If Jacksonville had matched New York's offer, Tebow would be a Jaguar right now, because they had a better pick. Obviously, Jacksonville did not match New York's offer, because Tebow is a Jet. Common sense says that they either offered a lower round pick, such as a 5th, or they refused to buy out Tebow's contract. Either way it is painfully obvious that the Jags didn't think Tebow was worth anything more than what the Jets offered, which was a 4th. That, and the fact that they announced that Tebow would ride pine behind a pretty bad Blaine Gabbert. This isn't rocket science.
Helloooo Phaytal I'm in Jax, and most people here believe the Jags owner plans to sell or move the team to another state. Fans would have loved for Tebow to come here even as a backup. He chose to play for the Jets and tactfully said he chose the Jets because he wanted to play for a team where both the coaches and FO want him; this is clearly because the Broncs front office and Elway did NOT want him no matter that he got them to the playoffs, and also because the Jags OWNER wanted him but the coaching staff did not seem enthused about it. I thought Tebow would be better protected by the Jets OL than the Jags, and he'd have time to develop as a backup while working the wildcat. As far as Tebow getting to learn from Manning as a backup QB ... I don't think Peyton has ever "mentored" his backup quarterbacks - the work you see him doing is "mentoring" his receivers LOL. It's kinda crazy that Tebowphobiacs think the "Fans" would have been yelling for Tebow to replace Manning if the team was down. That would happen about as often as Eli, Brees, Rodgers, and Brady has crowds screaming for the backup QB to play. Pure FANTASY. Just sayin', Phaytal, you got that wrong.
I'm a season ticket holder that has seen every Bronco home game for the last 9 years. I know exactly what I'm talking about. I had to endure the idiocy first hand at every home game, and then relive it every Sunday night on SportsCenter. You see, Tebow fans don't care about the team Tim is playing for. They only care about Tim Tebow. Most of the people in this forum are not Jets fans. They don't know the first thing about the recent history of the Jets. They could care less about Bart Scott, or D'Brickashaw Ferguson. John Conner?!? Who the fuck is that? They just want to see Tim Tebow playing whether he wins or loses. Finally, Tebow did not choose the Jets. He had no choice. He was traded to the highest bidder despite the initial reports that Elway gave him a choice. You can confirm this in Adam Schefter's twitter account. The fact is, Jacksonville was not willing to give up shit for him. You seem like a nice girl, but you have no idea what you are talking about.
Any of that is beside the point -- the interest was as a backup QB, not for a position switch. The point is that's it's delusional to think Tebow should, on his own, decide to switch positions, when the market interest is at the QB position (even if it is as a backup). Jax offered a 4th, there's no question about that. Reportedly they even upped it to a 3rd, when that Borat owner got involved in that "round 2" that emerged after the hiccup with his contract. I think Denver sent him to the Jets to do right by him. Jax, the team, has always hated him, going back to the days of the draft. They've never been interested. It happens.
Your information is incorrect. It wasn't a "choice" by Tebow, but it was Elway carrying out what his preference was. Jax offered a 4th.
If Jacksonville offered more than the Jets, he'd be a jaguar.. I don't understand why this is a discussion. This is the NFL. General Managers don't let players pick where they want to go. Maybe Tebow told Elway he preferred the Jets, maybe not, but either way if the Jaguars deal was better than the Jets even by the smallest of margins - he's saying hello to that shitty franchise.
If you're operating off of your own private set of facts, then there's not much we can discuss. I don't have direct knowledge of the situation, but Adam Shefter reported that Jax offered a 4th, and the next day John Elway said that Jax offered "more", but he sent Tebow to the Jets because that's what Tebow wanted.
