My patience has run out because what they r doing is 2 years late and I have zero confidence in the gm and coach. I don't believe for a second that the owner won't panic with the attendance and the heat this team will receive this year. If u believe we r truly rebuilding then the owner should give Bowles an extension. I can't stand him but u can't do what we r doing and fire the coach after this year and u can't leave him hanging. If the jets look Like crap in the pre season and we come home for the opener 0-2 all bets are off. How can anyone pay top dollar for this shit product with how cheap tics will be in the secondary market? When we play teams like Miami who have a large fan base in this area it's gonna be worse then ever with the amount of fans from the visiting team. So glad I got out
My definition of competitive is the same as yours. Come out and play sound football, limit mental mistakes, and play with some intensity. In regards to Bowles, I'm of the mindset that head coaches are not given enough time in today's NFL and he should be given time to grow just like how we give players time to grow... BUT Bowles made some horrible decisions last year, a la Steelers game punt. He also failed to hold players accountable for their mistakes, which is a huge issue. Bowles must show growth as a coach. Only way I would want Bowles out as HC is if Hackenberg sucks, Bowles shows no growth as a HC, AND we have a top 3 pick with a QB in our crosshairs. Bowles should not be allowed to groom another QB if he does not show he can coach.
I totally disagree regarding Bowles. Based on his sorry record so far, why does he deserve an extension? That makes zero sense imo. He needs to show major improvement. He's shown little or none in 2 years. He continues to make statements indicating that he is slack towards discipline and holding players accountable. If he doesn't show improvement this season, he probably never will, or won't until he is fired and forced to think about why he failed. If he is told that wins don't matter, but his own improvement and the improvement of the play of the team is what he will be judged on, then this season should give plenty of evidence one way or the other as to whether he deserves to remain as HC of the Jets.
I think it's going to be very difficult to judge his coaching ability based on what the Jets plan to put on the field in 2017. Mistakes are going to abound and it will be hard to differentiate between what's bad coaching and rookie mistakes. It's hard for me to believe Woody hasn't given his blessing for this "tank" season (BTW, they used the "T" word discussing the Jets on NFL Network today), therefore Bowles must feel somewhat secure he won't be fired after this season come what may.
BRONCOS Ranked 5th Year Round 2016 1 Paxton Lynch - 3G 59%,497Y,2TD 2 Adam Gotsis - 13G, 1PD, 5T 3 Justin Simmons - 13G, 2INT , 4PD 4 Devontae Booker - 174RU,674Y,4TD 5 Connor McGovern - no stats 6 Andy Janovich - 44RY, 33RUY, 1TD 6 Will Parks - 16G; 3PD, 12T 7 Riley Dixon - 16GS 2015 1 Shane Ray - 12S, 48T 2 Ty Sambrailo - 7GS 3 Jeff Heuerman - 9R, 141Y 4 Max Garcia - 21GS 5 Lorenzo Doss - 6G, 2PD, 4T 6 Darius Kilgo - 9 G, 1PD, 7T 7 Trevor Siemian - 59.5%,18TD,10INT 7 Taurean Nixon - 1 tackle 7 Josh Furman - no stats GIANTS ranked 16th 2016 1 Eli Applet - 1INT, 7PD,41T 2 Sterling Shepardt - 683Y,8TD 3 Darian Thompsont - 6T 4 B.J. Goodsont - 1T 5 Paul Perkinst - 456RuY,163RY 6 Jerell Adamst - 13G,122RY,1TD 2015 1 Ereck Flowers - 31G 2 Landon Collins - 32G,22PD,6INT 3 Owamagbe Odighizuwa - 1PD,3T 5 Mykkele Thompson - no stats 6 Geremy Davis - 13G, 21Y 7 Bobby Hart - 23 G TITANS ranked 15th 2016 1 Jack Conklin - 16GS 2 Kevin Dodd - 9G,1S,5T 2 Austin Johnson - 10G,.5S,6T 2 Derrick Henry - 490RuY,5TD 3 Kevin Byard - 16G,4PD,40T 5 Tajae Sharpe - 522RY,2TD 5 LeShaun Sims - 13G,1INT,17T 6 Sebastian Tretola - 1G 7 Aaron Wallace - 10G,1S,7T 7 Kalan Reed - 4G, 1T 2015 1 Marcus Mariota - 27S 2 Dorial Green-Beckham - not on team 3 Jeremiah Poutasi - not on team 4 Angelo Blackson - 29G, 2.5S,12T 4 Jalston Fowlr - 8Ru,16Y,8R,58Y,1TD 5 David Cobb - 52Ru,146Y,1TD no 16 6 Deiontrez Mount - not on team 6 Andy Gallik - 11G 7 Tre McBride - Special Teams JETS Drafting 2016 1 Darron Lee - 13G,2PD,1S,42T 2 Christian Hackenberg - no stats 3 Jordan Jenkins - 15G,2.5S,22T 4 Juston Burris - 16G,5PD,1INT,9T 5 Brandon Shell - 8G 7 Lac Edwards - 16G Punter 7 Charone Peake - 15G, 18R,146RyY 2015 1 Leonard Williams - 32G,2FF,10S,65T 2 Devin Smith - 14G,145RY,1TD 3 Lorenzo Mauldn - 26G,6.5S,16T,1INT 4 Bryce Petty - 6G, 56.6%, 3INT, 7INT 5 Jarvis Harrison - not on team 7 Deon Simon - 16G, 1.5S, 12T I bolder the statements you made .. As you can see, Mac drafts have had just as much production or more as a whole as those made by other GM's included in this post. The stats would actually be better if there were no injuries and a deliberate red shirt year. By my Count .. only Jarvis Harrison has not contributed pending injury or a red shirt. GM's have also whiffed just as much or more on drafted QB's .. as shown above by the Broncos, of course it's early as it's only Lynch's second year. Stats actually favor Mac when you extend the list to include the entire league. 5 of Macs 6 - top 3 round selections, were all limited due to injuries .. the other will probably get a shot this year.(Hack). Given the Year Mac handed out the big contracts was a year the money had to go and were trying to win now, it made sense and didn't hurt the team at all. I can see your opinion on mishandled vets but I see it more as a business .. especially if the GM had no ties. I prefer my GM to be pure business. If it's time to go .. it's time to go. It's way to early to say, given the stats, the man should be worried about his job .. especially when compared to other GM's.
IMO those stats have to be viewed in terms of the roster of each of those teams. The Broncos have a much better roster than the Jets, Giants or Titans. The Bronco draft picks wouldn't have the opportunity to play that they would on other teams. I also think team needs and actual picks have to be considered. As you know, I have been a big supporter of Mac's, but I'm starting to have serious doubts. I hate the way he has handled the release of Mangold, Harris and Decker and also the Brick situation. They were great Jets and deserved better treatment than Mac gave them.
Yeah people dreaming about 3 years of a rebuild are delusional. Its a 1 year tank job with everyone heads on the chopping block. It should be pretty easy to achieve a 0-16 season the way the team is currently configured.
You are sorely mistaken. A good rule of thumb in internet argument: STOP USING FACTS. Let the delusion fly. That's how it's done here in the internet.
I know your a supporter and just want to provide a peak into a different opinion window for others. I can understand where your coming from regarding the vets, most old schoolers usually feel the same way, but it should be the least of our worries and IMO weak proof to provide grounds for dismissal. For discussions sake, it's a different era, and IMO, matters that deal with players coming in and their treatment far outweigh like matters for players on their way out. It's a business and in this day and age, to think we are getting the full picture from the media would be naive. There will always be a better way to handle someone being let go. I also think team needs and actual picks have to be considered. That's exactly why I added stats for comparison .. many fans look to how picks from other teams fare .. but each team is its own ecosystem. What we can determine is that practically every pick made by Maccagnan baring injury or a decision to purposely sit them, has contributed substantially. When you throw in the fact that the head coach is/was biased to the veterans makes it more impressive that they persevered. The talent was acquired .. the development of said players by the coaching staff is another story. Again, it's very early in the rebuilding phase, but the fact that our GM and his staff were given the green light to do so, IMO, should be seen that Mac and his staff have been good enough to warrant them doing the job. 2017 as many posters have stated and I agree .. it's Year 1 for this regime .. and picks, signings, waivers, etc should be looked not only in the short term but the long term .. more Mac then Bowles of course lol.
LOL .. I know that's why I added them .. as posters ask for them .. 1 step ahead. But thanks for your opinion on how it's done LMAO. I've seen some of your posts .. lots of flying delusions lol. Edit - admin a replica reply occurred due to my connection being lost for a second.
I've got no problem letting them both stay as long as Macc's picks start to produce and Bowles can improve on his in-game coaching. If Hack and Lee turn out alright and we see positive things out of this draft. I sure as hell won't complain. If the locker room improves and Bowles doesn't kick the ball away in order to preserve a measly lead with some time left at the end of the first half.... I won't complain. But if we go 1-18 and the game is over when the whistle blows.... I want them gone.
Keeping Bowles is a really tough pill for me to swallow...especially with a young inexperienced team. I see nothing from him that gives me any hope in terms of building a winner. I've said this since Rex was HC, we need a tough no nonsense coach who instills respect and fear...Bowles does neither, imo. He is the polar opposite of Rex in demeanor but a clone in terms of players running amok. Macc CANNOT be credited for taking either Williams or Adams...these are no brainer picks that any one of us could have made. A GM makes his chops signing low buck, high return FA's and drafting gems in the later rounds, and so far the jury is still out on whether that is the case. I'm giving Macc a little bit longer leash then Bowles...hell the only leash I'm giving Bowles is to hang himself with so that's not exactly a ringing endorsement. Like another poster said, we can't judge this team by W-L but if we don't see progress from the past 2 years draft picks then this ship has not only sailed but it's sunk.
I did not say he deserves it. My point is u can't start a rebuild then fire the coach. It would be like starting over again. But of course we don't do things right
No offense, but you guys are vilifying the wrong peeps. Bowles, while being game management challenged and leaving us wondering if he has a pair of balls on offense, was a pretty good coach in 15. Last year, the team fell off a cliff. While a better coach may have handled it better, I don't think its fair to judge until we see this year. However, now with this roster, how do you accurately judge a coach anymore? As for the releases of Decker, and especially Harris, this reeks of Woody. Neither Bowles of Mac looked thrilled with the decision. Woody is a horrid owner. He's not a bad person. He's just terrible at running a team. He reminds me of a client of mine. I have a video production company. On this client's shoots, we set the shot and lighting up meticulously. We do all our tests. We are good to go. Said client then comes in and says, what if we move the light over there. We respond with why that won't work, and receive back a 'I'm okay with that.' Against every essence of our experience, we then move the light and grit our teeth. Not much else you can do. Welcome to Mac & Bowles's world. Organizational decision protects the owner. It's been that way long before Mac & Bowles.
SEC 314 I would like YOUR post twice if I could ! You can say better late than never about the rebuild , my problem is I have seen enough out of this coach to see he is not the guy for the job. Bowels , IMO will not improve ,his HC coaching skills are what they are and they are well documented and bad . Now ask this guy to coach a team with arguably the worst talent in the league and its a recipe for disaster . Had they started the rebuild in year one we would know what we have talent wise and Bowels would easily be on the way out , instead we do things ass backwards and rebuild in year 3 , just amazing ! I said it before, good luck having Woody look at an empty stadium , or good luck sitting in a stadium that will be like an away game each week, lots of luck when the Jets are punchlines on late night TV , or when every sportscast in America is mocking them, do you really think Woody is gonna sit tight and accept this ? It is not in his DNA , and this team is going to stoop to new lows this year its going to be a train wreck ! PS Mike Mac stopped getting free passes from me last year I am not a firm believer in what they are trying to do, I understand it but they have to SHOW ME results if I am to be a believer . In a normal world you would see their vision and view results , in ours and Woodys world its a circus and has NEVER ENDED PRETTY ! ps be glad you are gone 314 , no regrets here and never looked back
