MLB Offseason Thread 2006-2007

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  1. Barry the Baptist

    Barry the Baptist Hello son, would you like a lolly?
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    So basically Selig if he has a vested intrest in this can send the Yankees or Red Sox bid even if they are not the highest bidder. We all know the ratings for baseball suck if the Yankees aren't involved so now I'm sold that he's going to end up in New York with the Yankees.

    I liked the fact that Angelos came out and said the Orioles were going to bid for this guy but now knowing that Bud Selig has the final say and knowing how pissed off Selig is with the fight Angelos put up with the Expos moving to DC the question is does Bud have an agenda? The bid should be reviewed by a nuetral 3rd party not a moron that can't tell his head from his ass.....
     
  2. statjeff22

    statjeff22 2008 Green Guy "Most Knowledgeable" Award Winner

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    I agree with everything you said, but as I said in my post, I'm not 100% positive of all of my facts. Does anyone know the exact details of how the posting works? Am I right that Selig gets to decide if the highest bid isn't "serious"?
     
  3. FITM

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    TRICKS OF THE TRADE
    WITH GMS' SLEIGHT OF HAND, THESE BIG NAMES MIGHT MOVE


    November 5, 2006 -- There is a general feeling about this free-agent market: It is underwhelming and overpriced. You may like elements such as Barry Zito or Alfonso Soriano, but basic supply-and-demand says they are going to run a fortune and help raise the costs on the next level of player, such as Ted Lilly and Gary Matthews Jr.

    "There is a lot of money in the game right now, which means a lot of bidding on the few crumbs in free agency," one NL executive said, "so that means just add 10 to 20 percent on whatever you thought you were going to pay for any free agent."

    That is why the trade market is so attractive right now. Well, that and the potential availability of so many high-profile players, particularly among hitters such as Alex Rodriguez, Manny Ramirez, Mark Teixeira, Adrian Beltre, Miguel Tejada, Carl Crawford, Adam Dunn, Vernon Wells and Andruw Jones. The only slugger certain to change teams, though, is Gary Sheffield. As one AL GM said, "trades are getting tougher and tougher to make these days."

    That is because, in particular, teams value and horde inexpensive high-end players, particularly pitchers, like never before. To break the logjam, we will suggest four trades we think should get made. These ideas were run by more than 10 executives, who offered counsel and input, with the main goal being: Would you make the deal regardless of which side you were on (remember if both sides don't feel pain, it probably isn't a fair trade)? The concept here mainly is to give a sampling of just the kind of player potentially available in what could be a very tantalizing offseason:

    Aaron Heilman, Lastings Milledge and Henry Owens to the Padres; Jake Peavy to the Mets

    This would be extremely risky for both teams. With steroid-busted Guillermo Mota and Chad Bradford free agents and Duaner Sanchez rehabbing from shoulder surgery, the Mets would be gambling to deal Heilman from the 'pen. But the Mets do believe Sanchez will be ready and want to retain Bradford (but watch for the Yanks and Red Sox as Bradford's price rises dramatically because he did well against lefties last year and the relief market is so thin). They also think a starter such as Brian Bannister can get into the 'pen mix.

    Omar Minaya is a Milledge fan, but that is not universal in the Mets organization and the team has two high-level outfield prospects - Carlos Gomez and Fernando Martinez - coming. Owens had an eye-popping Double-A year (74 Ks in 40 IP, .137 BAA), but he will be 28 in April and is still learning to pitch after a conversion from catcher.

    The big question, though, is about Peavy. He had an iffy season (11-14, 4.09 ERA) in a pitcher's park and has some history of shoulder problems. But there is plenty to like. He is the kind of power arm Minaya has been pursuing (second most strikeouts over the past two years behind only Johan Santana). Despite the arm frets, he has made 62 starts the last two seasons. He has won in double digits four consecutive years, yet at 25, is still a year younger than Chien-Ming Wang. And with three years at $18.75 million left on his pact, he is reasonably priced. It seems a risk worth taking for the Mets because front-of-the-rotation starters are just that hard to find. They have inquired about the White Sox's Freddy Garcia, but the request of Milledge and Phil Humber or Mike Pelfrey is too much for a pitcher a year from free agency. And they are conflicted whether to spend substantially on Zito.

    To do this deal, the Padres would have to be among the many teams that think the Mets undervalue Heilman and that he is a 15-win starter waiting to happen. In that case, they get a cheaper alternative to Peavy, add high-end potential in Milledge and Owens to a dubious farm system, and also gain more financial flexibility to find a bat. However, when right, Peavy is an ace, in a sport bereft of that animal. If the Padres move him, it may say a lot about what they think about him holding up with such a violent delivery.

    Jeremy Bonderman to the Rangers; Mark Teixeira to the Tigers

    The Tigers have oodles of what every club craves: young, high-end, reasonably priced starting pitching, so they are going to be popular this offseason. The untouchables are Andrew Miller (their first-round pick in June, whom Detroit thinks could be in the rotation next year), Kenny Rogers and Justin Verlander. In Wil Ledezma, Mike Maroth, Zach Miner, Humberto Sanchez and Jordan Tata, the Tigers have inventory to use individually or in combination to get a good piece. But, in the World Series, Detroit's main weakness was exposed. The Tigers are too right-handed and too impatient. To get a keen-eyed, lefty impact bat, they would have to move either Nate Robertson or more likely Bonderman.

    The switch-hitting Teixeira would be ideal. The Tigers are unlikely to retain first baseman Sean Casey. Teixeira has increased his walk total every season from 44 as a rookie (2003) to 89 last year. His power could be hurt by spacious Comerica Park, but he is a good hitter regardless. And, at four years, he has the same service time as Bonderman. That is crucial.

    Teixeira is a Scott Boras client, which means he is almost certain to test free agency after the 2008 campaign and, at just 28 then, be shopped as a $100 million-plus player. Texas, as it learned with Boras client Alex Rodriguez, must allocate its big money on pitching, not position players. But Detroit owner Mike Ilitch has willingly done mega-deals with Boras on position players (Magglio Ordonez, Ivan Rodriguez). The Rangers can draw hitters to their power-friendly park; don't be surprised if owner Tom Hicks imports Barry Bonds for his bat and to juice attendance as a DH. It is harder to get a young, front-of-the-rotation, power-armed groundball machine such as Bonderman, who already has three double-digit win seasons despite being just a year older than Verlander, the likely AL Rookie of the Year.

    Vernon Wells to the Angels; Erick Aybar and Ervin Santana to the Blue Jays

    The Orioles spurned this Angels offer for Miguel Tejada. The attractiveness of Tejada was he had three years left on his contract. Wells has just one and, perhaps, an affinity to return to his native Arlington to play with the Rangers upon free agency. But the Angels have deep pockets to remove such thoughts, especially with their need in center. Plus, Wells is three years younger than Tejada, who unlike Wells also comes with questions about his temperament.

    Toronto knows it will be extraordinarily difficult to keep Wells long term. In Roy Halladay, A.J. Burnett and Santana, the Jays would come armed with a better rotation 1-2-3 than the Yanks or Red Sox. The switch-hitting Aybar (think Jose Reyes Lite) ends all the failed shortstop experiments. And the removal of Wells gives the Jays some additional dollars to go into the market to find some offensive upgrades to make his departure easier.

    Miguel Montero and Chris Young to the Marlins; Dontrelle Willis to the Diamondbacks

    The Mets want Willis, but it would take something close to overwhelming to pry him from Florida, and overwhelming has to start with a high-end catching prospect and center field prospect who are major league ready. That describes Montero and Young. The Marlins would have to believe Montero's catching skills continue to evolve to match his already superb hitting. This would be difficult for the D'backs because they love Young (they would prefer to move Justin Upton) and there have been indications they would deal starting catcher Johnny Estrada this offseason to make room for Montero. The Dodgers, with their elite farm system, could be players, as well, but their GM, Ned Colletti, is familiar with free agent Jason Schmidt from San Francisco, and L.A. also will be players for Zito.
     
  4. devilonthetownhallroof

    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

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    That probably wouldn't go so well when the winning bid is made public. If the Yankees bid say 25 million and the Red Sox go to 26 million, and it's announced as a winning bid of 25 million, there might be some problems.
     
  5. Barry the Baptist

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    When Bud Selig is involved public image and perception matters not....
     
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    Damn that Peavy deal would be rolling the dice big time, man with names like that out there I can't wait to see how this offseason will break down
     
  7. AMJets

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  8. Barry the Baptist

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    this from sportsbook dot com

    What team will Daisuke Matsuzaka pitch for to begin the 2007 regular season?

    New York Yankees 2-1
    Seattle Mariners 2-1
    Baltimore Orioles 3-1
    Los Angeles Dodgers 3-1
    Boston Red Sox 5-1
    New York Mets 5-1
     
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    didnt the Mariners, the Dodgers and the Orioles all say this was going to be too pricey for them?
     
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    Some people think that that was just an attempt to fool the Yankees into bidding too low.
     
  11. kinghenry89

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    I'm actually dissapointed that Washington was hired in Texas, because he is one of my favorite coaches in baseball and he is set up for failure with the Rangers. If Oakland had hired him as their manager he could've made a serious WS run.

    Washington deserves a job. He's a great coach who's had to put up with being the token minority interview for too long.
     
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    someone would have to get smacked it that deal happened. I think lasting and a minor league starter plus Owens gets it done.
     
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    Oakland Athletics -> Fremont Athletics

    KCBS is reporting that the Athletics will soon announce plans to move the club to Fremont and build a new stadium complex there.
    The A's have not yet commented, except to say that they hope to make an official major announcement soon. That could happen when Bud Selig travels to the Bay Area next Tuesday. A move to Fremont would likely result in more money for the A's, as they'd probably have an easier time selling luxury boxes due to the promiximity to San Jose. Fans in Oakland would have a more difficult time supporting their team, but it's proven all too difficult for them as is. Nov. 6 - 7:49 pm et
     
  14. AMJets

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    Right now, it looks like either Yankees or Mets for Matsuzaka.

    http://www.rotowire.com/roto_to_gnews.htm?ID=205784&sport=mlb

    Most rumors have five teams reportedly remaining in the Matsuzaka derby (Yankees, Mets, Cubs, Red Sox, Rangers), with perhaps one or two other teams (such as the Cardinals) deciding whether or not to bid. However, given this admission by Boras, and Matsuzaka's own recent public comments about how much he'd enjoy playing in New York, it could be that Boras has told some teams his client will either negotiate with a New York team or stay in Japan with the Seibu Lions for 2007, which could eventually lead all teams outside New York to drop out of the bidding.
     
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    Diamondbacks | Team to unveil new color scheme Wednesday
    Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:06:24 -0800

    MLB.com reports the Arizona Diamondbacks will unveil a new color scheme for next season. The Diamondbacks will switch from purple, teal and copper to Sedona red, Sonoran sand and black, and the new look will be unveiled Wednesday, Nov. 8.
     
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    Sounds ugly, but it couldn't be worse than what they have now.
     
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    when are the MVP awards given out?
     
  18. Barry the Baptist

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    That really isn't a likely scenario because if teams know that Matsuzaka will only negotiate with the Yankees or Mets; teams knowing that the bid is refundable if he doesn't sign Baltimore , Boston or Chicago can bid high with no intention on signing him just to block the Mets or Yankees from doing so.

    If he can't pitch for the Red Sox or Cubs why would they let him sign with another team if they can block it. It hurts the Red Sox alot more if he signs with the Yankees as opposed to pitching in Japan.

    That being said my dollar still says he ends up with the Mariners regardless of what the ownership of Seattle says.
     
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    Those bids wouldn't count. There's an honor system in play here, you can't just bid outrageously with the intent being to block other teams.
     
  20. Barry the Baptist

    Barry the Baptist Hello son, would you like a lolly?
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    There is no such thing as an honor system when dealing with the Red Sox and Yankees or Mets and Yankees especially the former. Those 2 would do anything to bring the other down.

    Like I said my bet is that he ends up with the Mariners even though they say they aren't going to bid. They have alot of people that have stopped going to the ballpark in Seattle and they need to do somthing to start bringing people back. They also have the means to give him what he wants.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see the Giants get involved as they play in a city that has a huge Japanese population and with no Barry Bonds they like Seattle need to make a move.
     

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