Mike Maccagnan vs. John Idzik

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  1. 101GangGreen101

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    I personally think Mauldin is a lost cause, barring major technique improvement, I don't expect much from him. I did forget Simon, he's going to be the start NT going forward. Jets do have something to work with. I am more comfortable with the players we have now in comparison to 2014.
     
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    At this time a couple years ago you could have said the same thing about players like Dee Milliner, Dakota Dozier, Trevor Reilly, Jace Amaro, etc. Tbh Mac's drafts will probably be as sucky as Idzik's.
     
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    Milliner and Amaro didn't show much of anything positive out of the gate, and compare better to D Smith, than to the guys I listed.

    keeping all 12 picks in 2014, not having the balls to move up or down, was a joke.
    there were no positives to take away from those draft picks.
    It was pretty clear he botched that talent rich draft after just 1 season.

    I'm not clear yet on 2016 draft class, but it would almost be impossible to be that bad, even if it does end up sucking.
    I think the 2016 UDFA's alone will exceed the entire 2014 draft class of 12 picks.
     
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    Idzik could have made changes to the scouting dept. or elsewhere, and didn't.
     
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    I've clearly delineated my defense of Mac in other threads, especially the other thread on this very topic. There are questions to be sure, but it's too early to come up with a fair assessment. He didn't hire Bowles and has no control over him. It takes 2-3 years to fairly assess a draft.

    Woody needs to fix the org chart, do away with the "competitive rebuild" nonsense, fire Bowles and his staff, put Mac in charge, let him hire his own HC (who will report to him), and give them 2-3 seasons to see what they can build.
     
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    Total nonsense. Idzik could have spent some of the money he saved, and was too afraid, too cheap to spend it.

    Mac didn't waste any of it. He got good play and an exciting season last year. The team needed to change culture and establish some credibility. It accomplished some of that, but due to a HC who doesn't hold players accountable, and who is in over his head, things didn't go as far as they needed to. The deals he signed were for short-term, stopgap-type players, and were structured so that the Jets could get out from under them in a couple of years with little or no cap hit, and have cap space.
     
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    No you couldn't, at least not with a straight face, and there's no way in hell that Mac's drafts will be as sucky as Idzik's.
     
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    I'm first to admit I wanted Wilk signed long term ahead of Richardson and Snacks. Now, that is looking like a bad signing.

    Snacks is killing it with the Giants. Snacks should have gotten the long term deal.
     
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    Mo was coming off a broken leg, I think he'll bounce back big time next season. It's happened before. Gotta be in better shape come next season. Snacks, we all miss him, but he still plays 2 of the 3 downs and we have an up and comer in Simon.
     
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    he couldn't choose his coach, why do we think he could get change much in the scouting dept.?
     
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    same could be said about the h.c. too
     
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    because the CS didn't report to him, but the FO staff did.
    and he did make changes to the FO, just not enough. never had a defined vision for the organization.

    there is no reason to believe he couldn't make the changes that Mac did.
    it was specifically his job to lead the FO..
     
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    I've been considering this also. Its a good move. Only real prblem is that with this scenario, we are looking at our 6th straighht assistant as our future head coach, and I think we would be better served by hiring an experienced head coach
     
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    Why would that mean we are stuck with another novice HC? Mac could hire Haley, Linehan, or even Marrone. That's 3 guys with HC experience. If McCarthy,Sean Payton, or McCoy were to get fired, that number jumps to 6.
     
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    Bradway survived too many changes for me to believe idzic was the one who was allowed to fire him and his cronies. i think idzic was very limited in his power and it wasn't till wj met with casserly that he realized the scouting dept needed a house cleaning.
     
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    I was hoping this was a new way for Woody to sell PSLs and they'd be fighting to the death at halftime of the Bills game and the victor would then be killed too.
     
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    You are right about Haley & Linehan. They would take a job with Mac as boss. Marrone & McCoy too, but I'm not sure they're the guys
    No way McCarthy or Payton cme here without full control
     
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    so you believe Idzik had an organizational vision in regards to scouting, like Mac did, but Woody just wouldn't let him do anything?
    please that is weak excuse making.
    and it also doesn't explain how Idzik WAS actually able to replace a shitload of FO personnel over the course of his 2 years.

    Mac came into the interview process stating the Jets would need to change how they approach scouting, and how much money and personnel they dedicate to it. I believe it was a condition of his accepting the job. big difference between the 2.
     
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    Idzik had a better coach. If Rex had the team Macc assembled we would have made the playoffs last year.
     
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    You're probably right about McCarthy and Payton. They'd still need someone to run scouting and personnel and help run the draft. Maybe Mac would stay.

    I agree that Marrone and McCoy might not be the ones. Marrone is supposedly a disciplinarian and no-nonsense type. McCoy is supposed to be very good with offense, but I don't know how much of a leader/disciplinarian he is. I'd be happy with Haley or Linehan.

    Even though I strongly prefer an experienced HC, I wouldn't totally rule out Musgrave.
     

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