Championships are won at the line of scrimmage. If Cb was a huge need Bill B would never let him leave New England in the first place. With a good pass rush an avg Cb can be made into a pro bowler.
Minny was 1st in rush D and last in pass D Miami was last in rush D and 4th in pass D The Steelers were 3rd in both categories..
So if BB passes on a player, he is insignificant? :rofl: And by your logic DR must be the best CB in the league:wink:
Two comments about the 9th overall pass defense: 1) Our opponents were usually playing with a lead, trying to chew up clock. 2) Opponents knew they only needed 17 points to beat us. Low-risk game plans. This is also why the Raiders had a statistically superior defense in 2006; their offense was horribly inept. As our offense improves, our pass defense will be tested. As long as signing Samuel doesn't hinder signing an OL or two, I say go for it. You can never, ever have enough good corners.
If Bill B does not sign Samuel it is because he realizes that the best thing he can do for any Cb is get them a great Pass rush. He is from the school of Championships are won on the line of scrimmage. Skill players can be inter changed. Samuel is a great Cb but not at the price he will command. Dr is very good but if we can't stop the run or get pressure on the Qb he is a waste of money. Did the Giants not show you what a good Pass rush can do to the Patiots?
If we want a CB draft one. And spend the money where we need it on the lines. It can't hurt but we need to focus on the real problems. I am sure the coaching staff know this too and if they are going through with it maybe they have other things lined up as well.
I'd rather see us get better lines 1st, and then if signing Samuel makes sense Cap and Team wise, do it.
As plenty of people have already pointed out, adding Samuel to our secondary will free up linebackers and safeties to blitz. Throw in Gholston at OLB and Rubin and NT and our defense could be top 5 as soon as the coming season. That leaves plenty of money to sign a RT in FA and shore up contracts for guys like Rhodes. Next we draft a OG in round 2 or 3 (depending on where Rubin winds up/picks we get), and sign another on day two. Every other pick in the draft should be BPA. A WR and DE would be nice. That's all holes filled in one offseason, unless Clemens craps the bed.
Thats true! Troy brown Catching interceptions as a a defensive back basically spell it out for you! If your front guys can bring pressure two things happen ; well three things could happen . 1. you scak the quarter back (no pass to be intercepted)2. you cause an errant throw (thanks for the stat padding) 3. you get burned for a long one (Or the ball gets intercepted). It all starts up front ! I think people are just ion love with the Idea of getting a so called stud D-back.
Unbelieveable. people are SO set on us addressing Ol and DL in FA...they are actually getting MAD about us possibly adding a pro bowl caliber player at a different position.
We would love to have him but our lines are to bad to throw that kind of money at him. If our lines are not fixed we will be 4-12 again next year.
So the Jets can't add anymore Free agents if they sign Samuel? With a few carefully conceived moves, the Jets could have up to 30 million in free cap space. I do not get what precludes the Jets from signing more then 1 FA.
bad teams will always have a pass ranking that's better than it should be. If you're losing, teams aren't going to pass much in the second half. We weren't close to the 9th best pass defense. Using yardage is a crock. Yards per play would be better. Using DVOA is even better than that. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef.php 20th ranked pass defense. My view on Samuel is that he's going to demand too much money for it to make sense to go after him. Same thing with most big time free agents. Why do you think he's going to end up leaving NE, most likely? Some team is going to vastly overpay.
Samuel, For The Last Time Ok, there are alot of Samuel posts and there are prolly going to be alot more...but...how can any of you sit there and say you don't want him?...yea we have other needs but we need another corner...Revis can't cover both sides, are you really happy with Hank Poteat?...if we sign Samuel, the only weak link is the safety spot opposite Rhodes which really isn't that weak...see this is the attitude of the common Jets fan, just like signing Mccareins instead of T.O. that one year..."Oh Poteat is good enough"...forget good enough, go for the best, Samuel and Revis with Rhodes in the back would be one of the best defensive backfields in the league. The rush will improve if you have two great cover corners, not to mention Samuel, like Revis is extremely physical. Im sorry for another thread, but I hate seeing alot of you guys say how we don't need him or we have other needs, we do need him and he would help the team in alot of ways, Samuel is NOT a luxury or somerhing that would be cool to have, we NEED another corner...you will see next year when whoever is opposite Revis is victimized every game, then next offseaon well be crying for another corner....Go get him and stop settling for average players...we have enough room to get some top tier players at other positions...he wouldnt break the bank...
I dont think thats it we both know they can make a back loaded contract and dole out 12-14 million he will be asking for (If not more). But that to me the Secondary was the brite spot last year if you could call any part of the D having a bright spot (Harris). Is Justin Miller a wash ? I also have a bad memory of the Jets dropping tons of money on potential D-back that didnt pan out or played at a average level. I think Defensve back is not a major need at this point ! not saying a future need or a depth need but the Lines are more important right now . Just remember absoultely 0 pass rush -do we really need a over paid D-back. Also no holes for the running back -do we need an over priced D-back?
Bah. Anyone who says they don't want Samuel is nuts, IMO. He's one of the best CBs in the league, and would improve our defense dramatically. They Jets have the money to spend, they have a glaring weakness at CB, and Samuel is there for the taking. It's a great fit. We make our #1 enemy weaker, and ourselves stronger. I can't see what the problem might be.
The problem is, that he?ll cost us too much money. Nomatter how good a player is, throwing out 80M on a single player while you?re rebuilding is usually a bad idea. I think we should get other positions set in FA this year, we can get two very good and young OL, who will be very good players for this team for the next 5-8 years, and a guy like Gay as a stopgap at corner for less money than what Samuel will cost us. In additon, with that hole spy thing, i?m not so sure about any pats player anymore. If we give Samuel all that money, and it turns out, he?s just a decent CB, and looked good only cuz he had an advantage by cheating, this would really set us back. In the end, it all depends on how much money he would cost us, if it?s anything near Clements we should pass.
I agree with both of you (Tony & JMillertime). It's time for the Jets to spend the available money they have on some big-time free agents.
Why couldn't you post this in one of the other Samuel threads you noticed? What it so significant about this thread that it needs to be in it's own thread?
