So we were a better team talent wise last year, but it wasn't the coaching staff's fault that we lost 2 more games than the Phins? Where have you guys been on the Jets forum? Too much success post Mangini, Chad, or Herm to warrant discussion?
Maybe, maybe not. It totally depends on the severity of the inury. The one thing I do know is that the guy is obviously a relentless worker who has a big time passion for the game, so it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him do it again. Personally, I definately think it's worth one more shot. You never know, you come back you get on the right team and who knows what could happen.
Another tired, twisted, and futile argument. What did those three - count 'em three! - wins in Foxboro lead to again? Because I forgot... For the record, Favre is 1-0 at Foxboro with the Jets.
Yeah but there's always a certain amount of risk with surgery and I'd have to imagine that risk is only intensified when its on the same shoulder of the past 2 surgeries..
very true. And that's why I said maybe, maybe not. There are too many factors to predict one way or the other
? Miami has split with them as many times as the Jets have with Pennington. We also beat them in Foxboro with Vinny in 01 when they went to the SB. While good teams are tougher to beat, at some point a top tier QB has to string multiple good games against multiple good opponents to win big in the NFL. Since his shoulder surgery Chad has consistently performed worse in those moments. Pennington might have been able to be an elite QB if not for the shoulder surgery. With the surgery he was decent and smart with the ball but not good enough to get to the next level.
Who cares why? the bottom line is he made the throw and the WR couldn't catch it. I love "Parcells team". The team Herm had was re-tooled 3 different times and we made the playoffs after each re-tooling. Parcells left us in bad situation w/ the cap and his horrible drafting for 3 years crippled us as well. BP was a GREAT coach and he did more good than bad for us but as far as personnel he was medicore and always has been mediocre. B/c of injuries he didn't play there alot. 2002 Win 30-17 2005 Loss 13-7 2006 Win 17-14 2008(w/ Miami) Win 38-13 He's 3-1 in Foxboro as a starter For example Peyton Manning I believe is next w/ 2 wins but he is 2-5 as a starter in Foxboro(2-2 in the Brady era). We beat them w/ Drew Bledsoe at QB. That team w/ Bledsoe wouldn't have been a playoff team.
This was the last year of his contract...who do you think would actually sign him as anything more than a backup even if he says he was healthy?
"Who cares"? That's what the whole argument is about. The Dolphins had to attempt that low % play because Chad pussied out earlier on a much higher % play (6 yards).
I thank you. this is basically 8 years of arguing condensed into two sentences. can we just cut the shit now? Its over. I think when an argument over whether or not a player was great goes on for this long obviously means they weren't great - they were good. Just plain good. Nothing else. Its so fucking tiresome at this point.
I agree, he didn't play there alot, but my point was he played there more than most other QB's in that period of time against that team so there wasn't anyone who you could compare it to. Manning was actually on my short list that you could, but even then, that doesn't show anything. great, he had more success at NE than Manning, whose team was a dome team that notoriously do not perform well outside. but even ignoring that, what does that mean? it certainly doesn't mean Pennington was better than Manning, so his success there doesn't mean anything comparatively to the rest of the NFL.
Geez...look what I started....5 pages! My excuses for the Steelers pathetic start is that the O-Line is just as bad as last year, but unlike last year when the Steelers were winning the close games, this time around we don't have playmakers stepping up at key moments. Jeff Reed is usually reliable....he missed two fg's which cost us in Chicago. Santonio Holmes was clutch down the stretch last year...he's had key drops. Limas Sweed...can't catch worth crap. James Harrison is being held on every play, and even national sports media have commented on this. Steeler D is merely good without Troy in there. Above all else, this team is playing as if they expect to be handed a title instead of earning it. No heart. No big bad attitude. I have faith they will get it turned around. They could easily be 3-0 right now in spite of all these flaws. they are also very close to being 0-3 *shrug*
I was simply refuting the point that Chad couldn't have success against good teams, New England being a prime example. To answer your quuestion, two of the three wins at Foxboro resulted directly in his team winning the AFC East, all three led to playoff appearances.
I mean, if that's a 'big game' to you, then fine; that's how you feel. But in the bigger games, he couldn't get it done -- neither with the Jets nor the Phins. That's my point about Favre being 1-0 at Foxboro as a Jet. Where exactly did that take us?
Favre winning in Foxboro got us nowhere but as IS mentioned Chad's 3 wins led to 2 div titles and another playoff app. Chad's first win there prevented NE from winning another div title and he's the only QB in the division since 2001 to have a div title under his belt besides the best QB in the game.
Chad was great in 02. 03 against NE when healthy 7 points 04 before his injury 7 points 06 17, 17 and 16 points 07 before he was hurt again 14 points The Jets wins against NE were not the result of great QB play with the exception of 02. Chad never played great against NE. The myth that Chad beat NE based on superior QB play is nonesense.
We are discssing games in Foxboro, he didn't play at NE in '03 and he came in down 7-0 in '07. W/ a QB like Favre we probably don't win in '02 or '06 b/c he turns it over too much. We got a fluky favre performance at NE last year where he didn't turn it over. One TO last year and we lose that game.
You mean the fact that he sucked at home against NE doesn't count when making your argument that Chad is a HOF QB?:rofl::rofl:
Here's where you go wrong. We're not putting Chad in the Hall of Fame, just refuting the nit-picking from you guys who can't get your head around the fact that when healthy he gave us as good a chance to win as anyone we've ever had at QB.
You're changing the argument now. The complaint was that Chad couldn't win against good teams/defenses, I responded with the fact that he lead his team to three wins over Belichick's D in Foxboro during New England's Super Bowl run. You then asked where that led him and I told you. If your complaint is that he never won a Super Bowl, congratulations, you have a firm grasp on the obvious. If that's where you have to go to knock him he couldn't have been too bad.
