I think you're terribly misguided if you think two inches equates to 20 pounds not only in this case but really in any case. We're talking about a quarterback not an NBA Center.
10 pounds? 15 pounds? 18 pounds? 7 pounds? 3 pounds? Or zero pounds. Guide me. I'm just surmising that if a human being added 2 inches to his frame that would include 2 more inches of bone, muscle, fat, sinew, fluid. Things that have weight. If you are assuming he was two inches taller and zero weight increase then I agree Teddy would be just as skinny as Goff. _
I don't think it's contradictory at all. When I look at a QB, I judge them first and foremost with my own eyes, not stats or physical measurements. I also look at them in terms of the Jets and what we need. I had read a lot about Teddy before I ever saw him play, and I was prepared NOT to like him. I didn't think he could possibly be as good as posters were claiming (and there were multiple posters raving about him). From the first time I saw him play (and I saw him play at least 5-6 times), I could tell that I was wrong and they were right. He had that "it" factor, and his play jumped off the screen. I was totally impressed from the very first game. Admittedly, I've only seen Goff 1-2 times and some highlight video, but he just doesn't look like the same caliber QB to me. His arm doesn't look as good to me as Teddy's, he just doesn't look the part to me, and I don't think his arm is strong enough for Northeast winters. I could be wrong. He could be a very good QB for a dome or warm weather team. Perhaps when I see more footage of Goff I'll change my mind and like him more, but he just didn't impress me. I knew Russell Wilson could play. I read about him for 3 years at NC State, trying baseball, then saw almost every game he played at Wisconsin. He's short and doesn't have that great an arm, but I saw him lead and make plays consistently.
The ability to take hits and keep on ticking is what one should look for and not the overall weight, especially if you are going to get so incredibly nitpicky over a pound or two. Ryan Tannehill came out at 221, 6 pounds heavier than Goff and there were zero durability concerns. Is 6 pounds the difference between getting up after a hit and not? I didn't assign a weight to two inches of growth, you did. If Goff was 196 I'd say well then we might have an issue. Durability won't at all be the reason he doesn't succeed unless he gets his knee snapped in half or something like that. He started 37 consecutive games in college. You're issues with him as a result of being small completely contradict your love for Bridgewater because they are essentially the same size if not give or take a couple pounds whether you want to voice your opinion on his height/weight ratio or not. Bridgewater started one more game in college. What makes he so much more durable?
Whoa who whoa. Who is being incredibly nitpicky? It is you my fiend. My man love for Teddy had to do with his superior TALENT, his football IQ, his pre-snap reads, his post snap adjustments, his accuracy, his athleticism, his leadership, his ability to create, his throwing on the run, his toughness. Goff is no where near Teddy in any of those categories. I ALSO find Goff to be thin as a rail and not particularly tough--regardless of how many games he played (or Teddy, for that matter). YOU decided to isolate JUST on my criticim of his skinny frame. Teddy is not a big guy but he still appears to me to be a bigger guy than Goff--that Goff and he are the same weight but Goff is 2 inches taller is s pretty simple observation. If Goff plays behind a line like Teddy did in Minny last year they'd be taking him off the field in a body bag. And I'm not sure what Ryan Tannehill has to do with anything--unless you are simply looking at height and weight to compare different people. _
Exactly. My criticism of Goff is not SOLELY about his height and weight and my man love for Teddy is not SOLELY about his height and weight. _
The only comparison I've been making the entire time is on someone's size. My point is you're picking and choosing whose durability you question based on how much you like the prospect or not as a player. I don't think that's fair, but you're entitled to judge them how you'd like.
I already said--watching them both in college to ME Teddy looked like the tougher player. Goff to me looks like a California laid back surfer dude. As in, not very tough. Their relative sizes, notwithstanding. But even still--to ME, Goff looks like he needs to get a LOT bigger and stronger whereas that wasn't a primary concern I had for Teddy coming out. Could he be bigger too? Have a better arm too? Of course--but to me it's not as debilitating as Goff's lack of bulk. _
Fair enough. To be honest I can't wait to throw it in your face two years from now when Bridgewater is only throwing for 19 touchdowns a year, and 206 yards/game but that's for another thread. The bigger concern in terms of size for Goff is the hand size, but that can be thrown out the window depending on where he holds the ball in the pocket. If I remember correctly Jay Cutler had what's considered to be bigger hands at 10 inches and he fumbles like crazy because he holds the ball low and with one hand in the pocket. That's something that can be fixed early but was never fixed with Cutler because of his release. Goff holds the ball higher anyways from what I've seen so it shouldn't be an issue.
No, although I would say I believed in Mariota the most. I didn't see enough of Carr to form a proper opinion outside of game tape and was rather shocked to see Bridgewater go from the consensus #1 overall pick to the end of the first. I think he's showing why he dropped that far in the draft, as he's been very protective of the football but hasn't showed any spectacular play. I still think Winston is going to be one of the best prospects in a long while. You can't reach winning, which he's done a ton of and in particular his touch on the mid range throws (being able to get it over the linebacker and in front of the defensive back). That being said, his throwing motion always worried me a little bit (sort of a long action w/ a flick of the wrist) but he seems to be fine with it in the NFL.
I think Goff has a lot of the same characteristics as Bridgewater as well, which is why I think it will be an incredible reach if he is selected in top 5. I hope he is.
He's not exactly Teddy because Teddy has one of the brightest minds in the NFL. They share a lot of similarities but have some differences as well. Tendencies are a little different. Goff is more aggressive, Teddy is a little more conservative. Everyone except for a select few loved Teddy here, no doubt - but it seems not a lot of people see the similarities between Teddy and Goff. I was also a huge Teddy fan coming out of college. In terms of physique and arm strength they are the same
I think Goff has more of a classic delivery whereas Teddy can make some funky side arm throws. Lots of different arm angles. _
Goff can do this as well, but not at the level of Teddy, so I do agree with your assessment there. This IMO goes back to his IQ as well. He's better at anticipating pressure, and is able to adjust and make those type of throws. Goff had a pretty bad game earlier this season, where the pressure really got to him and he couldn't adjust. Never really saw that from Teddy. Pryor has been good, but man still wish Teddy was here.
I will expand on my Teddy 2.0 comment. They both have the same type of build, arm strength, accuracy under pressure, accuracy on intermediate routs, lateral/vertical movement in the pocket and duribility from hits. I'm not saying these are their best attributes but this is what I feel they have in common.
