Here is another nugget for you "Peyton chokes in the playoffs" fans Peyton regular season stats: Completion %: 64.8% Y/A: 7.70 INT%: 2.77% Sack%: 3.2% ANY/A: 7.10 Peyon postseason stats: Completion %: 62.4% Y/A: 7.47 INT%: 2.78% Sack%: 3.6% ANY/A: 6.52 His stats drop off minimally during the playoffs, while facing the best teams in the league. That is expected. How about Brady? Regular season: Completion %: 63.3% Y/A: 7.31 INT%: 2.35% Sack%: 4.9% ANY/A: 6.65 Postseason: Completion %: 62% Y/A: 6.45 INT%: 2.35% Sack%:4.6% ANY/A: 5.68 Huge dropoff, especially in the ANY/A slot. His Y/A also goes down. Surprisingly, the only thing that stays the same is his INT.
LOL. Brady 2007 schedule, his cold outdoor games included: Week 17 @NYG Week 15 NYJ Week 14 PIT Week 13 @ BAL They also ran up the score huge that year, there were many times the Pats would be throwing late in the fourth trying to get TDs. And add the fact you say "very good, MAYBE GREAT" is hilarious. At worst, Manning is the 3rd best QB of all time. If that isn't great, then I don't know what is.
Manning is a great QB but he's looking more and more like a Marino/Favre type QB than a Montana/Brady type QB. The Colts would suck without him IMO, but he just doesn't seem to have that "clutch" ability when it's all on the line. That pick 6 yesterday was pretty bad. He shit the bed.
I'm just going to quote on this, but more mobile: no better arm: no rivers has made plenty of plays out of nothing. Big Ben's sack% is absolute garbage because he holds onto the ball for way to long. That's why you remember so many of his memorable plays, because he shouldn't even have the ball at that point. Saying he has the rings because of that is bad too. He played absolutely terrible all post season during their first SB run, and last year, he played decent in the SB. Alot of memory is that last play. He was 21/30 with 256, and 1td/1int. Also was sacked twice, for 22 yards loss. That shouldn't happen, considering even a 7 step drop is about ~6 yards, and the Steelers don't do 7 step drops a lot.
Based on what exactly, stats? I think Manning is superb but there is no way I think he was better than Unitas, Marino, Elway, Montana, Bradshaw, Staubach. When healthy I don't think he has anything on Kurt Warner who before he hurt his thumb was an incredible trigger man. Manning is great but there were, will be and are great NFL QB's. The GOAT thing is highly subjective and highly over rated especially when talking QB. I disagree with Junc about Brady vs. Manning but Junc's opinion is certainly valid and looking much better after yesterday.
The pick 6, Tracy Porter talked about. They saw film of that exact play many times. When Austin Collie motions down, they know its one of two plays. Porter saw Collie break on an inside post, and he knew Wayne was going to break towards the sticks. He jumped the route. But hey, I guess one bad throw over shadows the fact how he played very well the rest of the game, right? Let's forget about how the Colts defense let up 31 points in 3 quarters, because that has no impact. It's all Manning's fault they lost!
Bradshaw, Staubach, Unitas, Montana,Young, Aikman, Maybe Brady. And that's without getting into the Pre SB era.
The Colts defense gave up 24 points. There offense gave up 7. I don't care if he jumped the route, Manning threw it into the coverage. It was a terrible pass. He did play great the rest of the game, but he threw a pretty bad pick with the game on the line and a chance to tie it. That pick sealed the Saints victory.
The Saints had the better all around team that was obvious. That doesn't change the fact that Manning made a bad throw in an absolute critical spot that may well have prevented the Colts from winning that game. That's called a choke.
And ... why couldn't Garcon drop a pass like that against us???? If he wasn't catching everything in sight, we might have been playing yesterday!
I'm not arguing about the Saints having a better team or any of that, it's true. If we want to argue QBs, lets look.. Steve Young (another great QB) stepped right into Montana's shoes, and played the same IF NOT better. The WCO was huge. Bill Walsh showed a lot of people could play in it. Brady goes out in 08, and Cassell ( who is a terrible QB) stepped in fine. Did he play Brady level? No, but he did not disapoint. Aikman had probably the sickest talent ever around him. That offensive line was probably the best ever put together. Emmit is well, Emmit. Michael Irvin was amazing. Also funny how people are saying that Manning is a choker, yet putting Elway ahead of him. Again, recent bias
I always hated Staubach because I hated the Cowboys. Looking back I think he was probably the best all around QB who ever played the game. I have no issue with people who believe it's Montana or Bradshaw or Elway or Marino. How can you say to someone that thinks Joe Montana was the best he every saw and say they were wrong? The guy was cool as could be under incredible pressure. That's how those that saw Montana are going to remember him. Manning if he doesn't win 1 or 2 more SB's is going to be remembered as the best player who couldn't take the pressure.
That is pretty funny, Manning's #s change more yet his is "minimal" and Brady "huge". manning's overall #s wer ehelped by a few good games that skewed the #s a bit. He has been very inconsistent in the playoffs and has always struggled in the big playoff game minus a game here and there. The 3rd best QB of all time doesn't gag the way Peyton did last night. What was wrong w/ that late season sched of cold games in 2007? The pats did run up the score which skewed Brady's #s a bit but not as bad as getting to play more than half your games indoors does for Peyton. peyton right now MIGHT be top 10, I think he's around 15 after that gag last night. yeah when that one bad throw costs your team a chance to win the SB it tends to overshadown his otherwise pretty good game. let's also not forget he almost threw an INT moments earlier, he was clearly rattled by the moment. can't include Young, he was an earlier version of manning- great fantasy #s couldn't play in the big spot. he was handed a dynasty and was lucky to win only one SB.
Manning did play great yesterday, but when the team needed him one last time, he couldn't deliver. no, the entire game isn't on Manning, but at some point many games come down to one play and if a player fails at that time, the loss is directly on them. when you make that play, you are clutch, when you can't, you're a choker. simple as that. at the end of the game, if your team is in position to win, what came before that is irrelevant to the moment and how they perform in that moment is what the player will be judged on. analysis of an entire game is a completely different dynamic.
I'm not sure what your point is about Young? He was an outstanding QB a huge over all talent who didn't have a head for the game until late in his playing career by his own admission. Elway was 14 & 8 in the playoffs which still beats the hell out of 9 & 9. He also had JAG WR most of his career.
So, you're arguing that it's more Manning than Moore? Moore's offense happens to be a prefect fit for Manning. And they've done a great job over the years making it be that way. However, He's had one system tailor made for him, and a Team built specifically to accommodate his talents (they didn't even stab at a defense before Dungy went there)...and it's been the only offense he's ever been in as a pro. Montana, Brady,and Young all took home more rings in less time. He's a good QB on a team where he's used to being ahead. He's not even close to GOAT. As I said above...He wasn't that great against the Jets until they were without Strickland and Scott, and Greene......
1st of all, young was never anywhere near montana's level as an elite qb. montana also played against the defenses during what i consider the toughest era in football. i cant say that about young, but the defenses where getting better through out the league. in the past 10 seasons (during mannings glory days) there has been some great defenses (pats, ravens, giants, bears), but nowhere near the number of great defenses a couple decades ago. i will agree that almost any qb could have led the cowboys of the 90s to multiple championships because of the talent around him. just imagine if marino were on that team... he may have been the winningest qb of all time, and may have put up stats that may have never been touched. elway is way ahead of manning, why is it that you cant see it? elway didnt have anything around him as far as talent other than a decent defense in his early days in denver. he was by no means a choker (like manning is, why do you deny it...you can see his butt pucker, and then his game breaking turnovers happen), as he led denver to a couple superbowl appearences during the mid to late 80s. that cleveland team he beat twice was no slouch you know. once in the superbowl elway faced two opponents that went on to win a couple superbowls each. manning has won one superbowl against a bears team that had a good defense, but could not score many points. manning has also been to how many afc championship games, only to choke (have bad games when it mattered most) when he had so many offensive weapons around him that it isnt funny. this reply doesnt even mention the rule changes that favor a passing oriented team, that manning has benefitted from. manning is a great statistical qb, but he is not a top 5 qb of all-time.
