I know people take me serious, I know the knowledgable folks on here respect me- they may not disagree w/ me but they respect my opinions. You don't make any valid points, when people are talking about great reg season #s it's fantasy #s they are discussing. When they games matter most he disappears more often than not. That is the point but people like you will point to his TDs or something he did in September as if that means more than all his January failings. No one is saying he's not an all-time great but there are different levels of greatness and he clearly is not among the discussion for best ever. It's hard for people like you to understand that but the man has had championship caliber talent around him for 90% of his career and his just 2 SB apps and 1 SB win to show for it.