He made very few mistakes. That's the difference between him and Bledsoe. Bledsoe made the mistakes and Brady didn't....but that's because the system he ran
If it was that easy wouldn't every team run that system and again where are these other SB winning QBs from that system?
In gave you my top 5. Your list isn't bad you just missed a few:smile: I'll put together my top 20 list and post it.
speaking of Ben Roethlisberger, he was absolutely terrible in Super Bowl XL. The Steelers did not deserve to win, and Roethlisberger certainly didn't. He wasn't facing a great defense, either. Money quarterbacks come up big when it counts, right? I could name five QBs I'd rather have right now. Two of them are in the title of this thread.
Shut up. You have posted zero "ground breaking info". The field goal was the winning margin. It was very important. Who cares whether it was last minute? The Eagles' TD wasn't meaningless, and it would have tied the game save for the aforementioned FG. You really should try getting a tape of the game and actually watching it.
The proof is what Cassell did last year after not starting since H.S.. And to make the point, I think Brady is overrated, I don't think he's average and not worthy of the HOF.
Sorry, Charlie. I know it's your MO to simply type your way into a "victory", but that ain't happening here. I'll keep going until you can finally address the argument instead of trying to shift the grounds. Right here you claim to be examining the entire body of work, and yet then you acknowledge that you don't in fact care about the entire body of work. I've tried to argue with the fact that Brady did in fact lead his team to those victories. You can't argue with that in any way but trying to ignore that the point was ever made. You have no response other than "Well, in my opinion THIS is better." The entire argument is a matter of whether an opinion can exist, using the available evidence, that Manning is the better QB. I say it can, you say it can not. The only way you can win that argument is by disregarding or shutting down the evidence at hand, and you have not been able to do that in the slightest. I'd love to hear who those QBs are. I get the feeling Marino will be in there, and again you'll argue that examining his situation applies to him, but not to Manning and Brady. If there's time on the clock, and you have the ball, there's A chance. Peyton is irrelevant to a discussion of your claim that Brady would succeed in ANY system. Brady took over for a team that won the NC the year before and didn't achieve the same kind of success. He also couldn't take the job over Brian Griese. That "deal in place" with Drew Henson wasn't what I was talking about, as Brady started over Henson. Naturally! He must have been hidden in college. He only started for one of the highest profile universities for 2 seasons! It's a good thing Dick Rehbein understood the needs of the system in New England so well. I can only wonder what kind of success Rattay would have had if he were the choice. I'm sure Beli saw something in him as well. There's no comparison to the system the Patriots have put together in New England. Any knowledgeable football fan knows that. Who said he wasn't good? I've maintained all along that he's a good QB, just not the most gifted in the game. Thank you. I'm learning nicely from you. And yet, I've been very clearly stating all along that he's not merely a system QB. You can't talk about the Pats system in terms of other teams'. Man, that Elway must have been garbage too. Just like Cassell. Ahahaha...now who's making excuses? Can I just start posting pictures of clown shoes after each of your posts? For once, you're right! And I have been! And you haven't! We may be getting somewhere! Did you watch many Cardinals games? Their defense fell apart at the end of games all season. They overachieved all postseason. Ben played well. I'm not sure how many times I can say that. He wasn't facing the Ravens or anything. Pot... ...meet kettle. Look at your response above in which you simply attack and ridicule. You're hilarious. It would be a shame to put Ben on another team last season and watch him miss the playoffs. It's awfully hard to make the Super Bowl if you don't make the postseason. That team had to carry him into the postseason. Did I say that? Did we have coaches at the level of those in New England? Flattering, but no, I never played in the NFL. My brother in law did, though. 12 seasons as a CB, and I've actually had this debate with him and other former pros. Every single one of them felt Manning was the better QB. I argued for Brady. There was even a SB winner in that group. BTW, flag football with the kids at the school you work at doesn't count. Nice try. Was that the point of contention?
What did he do? He led a team to miss the playoffs a year after they went undefeated in the reg season and did so against a much weaker sched. he hasn't done anything. He was awful in SB XL but he was great in the 3 games that got them there. Compare Ben's run to XL and Peyton's run to XLI: Ben: 49-72, 680 yds, 7 TDs, 1 INT Peyton: 72-115, 2 TDs, 6 INTs Don't get testy now. Save that for your junc worship thread that you created in the TT forum. The point was it wasn't a last min FG to break a tie and win. It was the margin of victory but the game wasn't in doubt after they went up 10. Stop posting meaningless points, I know that is your specialty but try and contribute meaningful points.
I keep repeating myself. He went 11-5 and hadn't started since High School. That's not doing anything? I'm not putting him on the same level as Brady, but anyone should be able to see that there's something in New England's system to have a quarterback who hasn't played since High School be that successful. It's not like they were blown out of the division. They lost the division on a tie breaker!!!!
He did a good job, BB did a great job coaching but w/ a weaker sched and w/ undefeated talent around him he lost 5 games. Why couldn't they win w/ Bledsoe? Under BP Bledsoe started in a SB.
Bledsoe wasn't the same QB in 2000 as he was in 1996. He had been knocked around a ton the previous two seasons. Cassell did a good job managing a QB friendly system. Belichick has done a great coaching job his entire time in NE and it sucks to say that.
The only teams that the Cassell lead team lost to that didn't go to the playoffs was the Jets. After the early season loss to the Dolphins they put up 48 points on them. They also put up 31 against the Jets in the loss and beat us earlier in the year. What undefeated talent? The Pats O was crushed with Brady at the helm in the last game the year before.
I love Junc logic. going 11-5 is nothing because he missed the playoffs (a situation dependent equally upon what other teams do as you do yourself), but applauds Herm for going 9-7 because he made the playoffs with that record. is it your contention that going 9-7 is doing more than going 11-5? that is the repercussion of your Junc logic. the two are separate. how well you do, which is representative by your record, and how well your opponent does, which is represented by theirs. but one doesn't change the other or reflect it. a team can with a division going 7-9, and by your logic they would have had a better season simply because the rest of their division sucks than a team that goes 10-6 but plays in a tougher division and there were better wild card teams. that logic is ridiculous.
They were 16-0 in 2007, right? Cassell did a tremendous job but despite having a team return that went 16-0 the year before and an easier sched they didn't even make the playoffs. He was exactly the same, he was the same his entire career. Big arm, would wait for plays to develop looking for the big play, take a ton of sacks, force balls for INTs, melt under pressure. Same player in 2000 that he was in 1996. In 2000 in NE BB went 5-11, in 2001 NE started 0-2 before Brady rescued them.
Very different situations. That was our 2nd EVER AFC East title, NE was 16-0 the year before. The 3 teams at the top in 2002 were much better than the 3 teams at the top in 2008 despite worse records. Not every situation is the same. Our 2002 team at 9-7 was better than our 2001 team that was 10-6 or our 2006 team that was 10-6. NE had a much easier sched in 2008 than they did in 2007 and they still lost 5 more games. if they play the 2007 sched they probably go 7-9 or 8-8.
the point is you can't simply judge a team's accomplishments by whether they make the playoffs. there's no doubt Cassel isn't Brady. but the guy won 11 games in the NFL his first year starting. that's not nothing. to some extent, he deserves credit for his participation in that.
I learn from you. Your posts are worthless. You can never present a good argument. Instead, you simply state over and over that you are right and that your garbage opinions are facts.
