I agree we need a better DC. Our entire Defense was just out of position. Our LBs aren't great, but they aren't that bad. I dunno how many times i saw them chasing the opposing team because they had to run across the field out of the zone they were covering. Teams understood we were playing zone and put their players in the holes. The were 5-10 yarding our defense to death. Mangini and co never adjusted. They were basically blaming the players. I believe this team quit on Mangini. how else do you explain how they looked?
Implement the scheme? What is that? Passive prevent defense 3 downs out of 4? The SCHEME sucks a big giant moose cock!! No players can succeed with this retarded bullshit playcalling. NONE. I can't blame the players for having to give 10 yards of padded coverage every play. I can't blame them for no pressure on the QB when they aren't allowed to send cleverly disguised blitzes. The payers aren't perfect but this thought that Mangini or Sutton has a great system is kind of naive.
The theory behind the defense is sound and it has been successfully implemented elsewhere. We're not getting it done right now.
It's obviously developed from the Patriots base defense. That's where the HC had been working previously and that's what he'd been working in. They do it a million times better than we do.
They do it better because that defense requires a creative play caller making adjustments on the sidelines. Who would that be? Bill Belichick If you think Mangini is the defensive mind that Belichick is you are definitely high on crack. Mangini simply rode the coat tails and stole a system that he doesn't fully understand.
That's pretty much my point. It's a good system when it's run well. It's not run well here at the moment.
I love how everybody is talking about a theory of the defense. Does anyone know what it actually is? I sure don't. Don't give me some bland 3-4 defense shit, I understand it perfectly. Each teams defense has its own ideas. Whats ours? Mangini doesn't know. It doesn't matter who they get to step in here, It won't be successful. Mangini and go do not take advantage of what their players do best. The instead take them out of their element and make them do things they cannot or are not accustomed to doing. It wouldn't shock me if thats the real reason Gholston struggles like he does.
I'm not a student of defensive schemes in any way, shape or form, but I can see that the plan is to have a 3-4 with unpredictable blitzing, generating good pressure on the QB and strangling the opposing run game with a stout D-Line. I imagine the plan is to take advantage of the versatility of players within the scheme to do different things. We don't have the guys with that versatility right now.
Hmm not really its actually used for teams with undersized LBs. You confuse Pittsburgh D with 3-4. But you missed what I'm stating. Pittsburgh's 3-4 is about the zone blitz which is that unpredictable blitzing you're talking about. NE is the stout D-line that allows LB to make plays. The Ravens is more about a stout D-Line and a little bit of Blitzburgh. What do we do? I don't think this CS knows. We dont blitz, we put unrealistic expectations on our line. There Job isn't to get sacks its to plug gaps and eat up blockers so that the LBs can make plays. If the LBs are dropping into zone coverage, which they weren't doing in the beginning of the season, they could stop the run and pressure the QB better. Our blitzes are obvious and easily picked up. So what is Manginis Defensive philosophy?
valid point when you watch n.e. or pit on d it seems like there's always a lb or db coming clean on a blitz whenever you watch us it seems like the blitzer thinks he's supposed to hit the blocker square on rhodes and harris are the 2 i see the most do this.
Everyone here who always talks about Same Old Jets probably wants Cowher. But ask yourself this: why would Cowher want to come here?
The blitz timing is terrible. That is coaching. I am a student of defense and thats all coaching. The blitzing defender is either obvious they are coming, by getting up on the line when they stand 10 yards off the line every other time, or they come across to early or too late.
i thought he was going to cry. how about being a little bit pissed off! show a tiny bit of emotion. just a tiny bit! what a fucken bore that guy is. GET HIM THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!
I think everyone is overrating Cowher as well. One of the reasons Cowher became a solid coach in Pitt is because they stick with their coaches there. Cowher had some very god teams in Pittsburgh that he didn't win the Super Bowl with and he had somewhat of a reputation for not being able to win the big game. Pittsburgh was smart though and they stuck with a guy who consistently had winning teams and eventually (after soemthing like 10 or 12 years) he got his ring. I am not happy with Mangini so far but he is a third year coach who wasn't in this league too long to begin with. I'm willing to give him another year possibly two rather than tearing this whole thing down and starting from scratch again. I haven't seen the improvement that I want to see yet but I have seen it time an time again in this league when a coach is fired prematurely and turns out to be good or a coach who you think is about to get fired turns is whole career around. You don't have to look any further than Belichick in Clevland (for a premature fire) or Coughlin with the Giant (for someone who was hanging by a thread). I mean the Giants players were saying they were outcoached they were blown away two years in a row in the first round of the playoffs, they start the season with two terrible losses and have a somwhat medicre 2008 and then something clicks and they win a Superbowl.
if we had him this season we'd have done far better, that's for sure. Another option: give Holmgren is sabbatical and then hire him after next season.
