Totally agree. Instead of degguting the team on day one we proceeded to bandaid two mainingless seasons with over the hill contributors and perennial back up QB at best. Mac did make mistakes, many mandated by the the owner, but year one was a "trust the previous regime" for the draft. No time to do anything else. Still falling short, but there were just too many holes to fix and mistakes were made. Not to mention this BS relationship of the HC reporting to the owner. Talk about the blind leading the blind. Not one draft choice, zero, nada, has taken a significant step forward on the defensive side of the ball under Bowles. Give me a real coach and will see what he can do with the talent we have, now and in the future.
Exactly. Long term team building is done thru the draft, and Mac has had 4 now. Deck was a bit stacked against him in 2015 tho..
We signed one high priced FA in T Johnson. Every team, rebuilding or not supports the draft with FAs. Youre not rebuilding solely through the draft. Theres no guarantee that positions you need the most help in will leave players that fit the bill when you pick. So no, I dont see your logic or point on any level. Youre arguing for the sake of arguing or youre clueless, which I doubt. No one can be blind enough to not see we have redone most of the roster since year twos completion.
And when they did actually hit on guys such as Vilma & Farrior they traded them because they brought in guys who changed the defense
Totally agree. Until we get to the HC reporting to the owner. I have absolutely no problem with it. I do have a problem with the way its been reported as some kind of dysfunctional arrangement unique to the Jets. Why wouldnt someone who has invested billions into a business want to talk to the HC? It doesnt mean, as too many believe, that Bowles doesnt communicate with Macc. He does and they seem to 100% on the same page for good or bad. Dont see what it does that threatens the teams success. Their relationship, Bowles and Macc, isnt any different than it would be if Bowles hadnt been in communication with the owner. Its all moot though given Woody doesnt run the team anymore, hasnt in a couple of seasons. This and the fact that we dont know if the same relationship has been kept with Chris or not tells me that it has little if any effect on what happens
By definition not including special teams there have to be 22 starters. The real question is how many of them would start on other teams.
Some teams get it wrong and then others get it right,,,,,,,I have been reading this thread and The Jaguars keep coming to mind . I mean that team is in great shape and doing things the correct way,,,,,IF they had a QB can you imagine how good they would be ?
So signing a bunch of vets in 2015 was proof we weren't 'rebuilding', but singing a bunch of vets in 2018 is different.....because we're 'rebuilding'. That point is full of contradiction. I was going to explain my point more clearly, but I think it would be a waste of time. I'll leave it at this. Mac has had 4 drafts and 4 years to build this team, not 2. All teams turn over about a 1/3 of the roster every year. I like Mac, but not the perceived concept of 'rebuilding' as an excuse.
Wholly fuck, this is a stupid mindless argument. You cant be reached. Good for you, you actually believe we signed a bunch of vets this season as we did in 2015. Heres a clue, all the vets in 2015 were brought in to START, fill spots that were unmanned. Anyone signed this offseason outside of T Johnson was brought in to supplement the roster, fill holes temporarity. You need to stop, not only do you not get it you keep coming back when there is no reason too. BYE
Long, Williamson, Crowell, Johnson, Claiborne, Pryor.....they weren't signed to start or play significant roles? The older vets from 2015 weren't temporary? You can't help but contradict yourself. I'd have let it go if you weren't smug while doing it.
You're right about so many holes, and any decent picks would improve the team, BUT, my point is that Macc should be focused on filling the perennial holes, like pass rusher and OL (having now filled QB). For example, picking TWO safeties back to back was overkill. And while I love Darnold, what if Macc had taken Mahomes or Watson last year with that first pick, then Maye? He could've found his pass rusher with the first pick this year - and not needed to have used draft capital to move up - and maybe even filled a hole on the OL. I'm not saying all of that would've guaranteed a championship, but it sure would've filled a lot of holes that are still holes. This is just one example. You can't just BPA a rebuild, need has to the driving force so that you can build towards a consistent whole. The only exception to that would be if you have a chance to draft a franchise-changing player in a position you already have filled with somebody good or above average, but that should be the exception not the rule.
What do you base this "fact" on? Didn't Macc just "reach" for the need to fill the FQB hole? And let me try to clarify. I said you need to balance need with BPA. Not just simply take your most glaring need with regard to quality. You figure out your biggest need and look to fill it with the BPA, but if there is no one that's really a stand out, look at your next biggest need. That said, there is no guarantee that your first pick will pan out, even if they're the consensus BPA, independent of position, so if you pass over him and draft a guy that fills your most glaring need, you might well be ahead of the game - maybe the BPA you passed over becomes an All Pro for somebody but that doesn't mean he would've done that for you; meanwhile your guy ably fills the hole you had and you've improved your team. Drafting BPA-only is more likely to have you chasing your tail than helping you build a solid team.
yes Falco you are absolutely right..BUT WHO CARES??? If you are St Francis college of PA you can get excited that they are bringing back guys who can be starters..some of whom can compete within their conference BUT my goodness gracious THIS is the NFL,,,and yes it would be good to know the Jets have MORE players other teams want I ONLY care about the Jets and getting the BEST players, MORE wins than losses. a SB and a HC with some IQ and a GM who IS NOT handcuffed by the owner In deference to my friend NC, i will wait and see with Mac..as I have posted before he has Bowles in his ear (Bad Bad Bad)..but so far MM is just AVERAGE ..or a bit below imo.. but its not entirely his fault the trouble here is Woody Johnson has made Bowles into Jon Gruden (who can override his GM Reggie MacKenzy)...TB is HARDLY deserving such POWER As I posted before Shoddy Toddy is just taking advantage of same level as GM status to lobby who he wants on the team
Bottom line is Macc needs to hit on picks in rounds 2-6. It's not enough to only have 1st rounders pan out. Maybe Maye will start a positive trend of 2nd round and beyond picks panning out. And I agree that going with BPA mentality is not the right way to approach the draft. Otherwise, glaring needs could go unaddressed for years. We still need a pass rusher and high end OL players.
