Maccagnan's Views on Petty

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  1. Jetaho

    Jetaho Well-Known Member

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    It is, but that's the best way to approach it. Give him two years and then evaluate what you have once he's built up a decent portfolio of practice, meetings, film study, pre-season games, and spot starts or playing time when Fitz sits. If we draft a QB this year or bring in a FA, I would see that as a sign that Petty doesn't have it. Geno is done in NY.
     
  2. BamaDoc

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    There are two scenarios in play. First he is reassuring Fitz that at this point Petty is progressing nicely, but not a threat. He is also not getting overly optimistic about a guy who has done nothing meaningful in a real game. If Fitz resigns and that would be before the draft, if a qb is drafted 1-4 rounds, Geno probably is traded for a 5-7. Petty and the new qb would compete behind Fitz to be his successor and you may keep drafting qb's until a clear replacement emerges.

    Second scenario, Fitz signs somewhere else. You now have to bring in a vet and/or a draftee to compete for the starting job. Like it or not, Geno has starting experience and we really haven't seen what he could do in a Gailey offense. Remember, Petty may not be ready or good enough to start this year. Not many cheaper vets are clearly superior to Geno and he would have some advantage of a year in the system. If it is a four man competition, odd man out.
     
  3. TurkJetFan

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    I think Geno should be cut regardless TBH. I frankly wouldn't mind if he didn't even make it to training camp. He symbolizes a losing period for the team.
     
  4. Big Blocker

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    But Macc did not say Petty might be the No. 2 in camp. He said he is the No. 2.
     
  5. FJF

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    Not in the article you linked.
     
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  6. BacktoQueens

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    anointing rookies solely based on draft position is a good way to fail imo.
    even first rounders have to earn playing time, and alternatives at the QB position is more a necessity than a luxury.

    my point is you hedge your bet.
    development time factors in, and injuries do happen, so you never know how it might unfold.

    having 2 promising options is exactly the position I'd like to see the Jets in for a change.
     
  7. Acad23

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    Whatever scenario plays out...we are in a better qb situation than we were a year ago.

    If they pick up a decent looking qb in the draft, then GeNo is gone.

    He doesn't have the "character" that this team needs.

    He may be toast anyway.
     
  8. Br4d

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    All I'm saying is that if the Jets spend a 1st round pick on a QB and re-sign Fitzpatrick the odds are enormous that Petty's role with the Jets will be as the backup QB moving forward. The rookie will have a redshirt year next year in that scenario most likely.

    In camp the guy the Jets will be looking at hard is the rookie, not Petty.
     
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    Yeah that wasn't my interpretation of the article either. Everything indicates to me that Petty must EARN the #2 spot. I think he has to beat out Geno for that 2nd spot still.

    "We feel ability-wise, he can definitely be a quality No. 2 backup and the rest is kind of up to him."

    I guess can = is?
     
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    I don't think the Jets should cut Geno right away. I would like to see the Jets either draft a QB high, or have Petty beat him for the 2nd spot. If neither happens, Geno should remain for his final year.
     
  11. Big Blocker

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    ^

    "he can definitely be a quality No. 2 backup"

    While the conjunction of the words "can" and "definitely" leaves some room for ambiguity, inclusion of "definitely" can only be understood as NOT saying he has to prove that is already playing at a level where he could be the No. 2. But that concededly leaves open how much emphasis to put on the modifier "can". The rest is up to him I think referred to how much beyond a No. 2 he might go. Not whether it is up to him to prove he's not already definitely a No. 2. No?

    Going back to the alternatives, I find it hard to understand the word "definitely" to be really qualified by some interpretation that he has to prove that he is that in camp. One alternative understanding is that Macc might have meant that on SOME NFL team he would be good enough to be a No. 2. But if that, why not the Jets? Because of Smith?

    One reason I think Macc meant on the Jets is that I don't think he would have said that given Smith's situation coupled with an intention to say Petty must prove himself to be a No. 2 in camp and said what he did. In other words he would have used different words if he thought that Smith was still the No. 2, or if he thought the team needed to figure this out in camp.

    Of course the other factor I mentioned was whether the Jets will look to the draft as an occasion to add another Qb to the mix.

    Finally OF COURSE the real story here might be merely that Macc did not choose his words as carefully as if he was writing a contract. Heh. But of the range of possible choices I cant see he would have said those words if he thinks Petty has to prove is worthy of being considered as on the level of an NFL No. 2 Qb. And if he's that, why leave Smith as the No. 2? WE already know Smith's ceiling.
     
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    Jets don't even know Petty's true role on the team right now. Is that an NFL backup? Or is he just a Brett Ratliff redux? I think Geno is a capable back-up QB in this league, but I personally believe the Jets should see Petty at least close the gap on Geno in terms of experience and decision-making before anointing him a backup and cutitng another young QB.

    4th round picks need to wow the FO, otherwise he will be an afterthought if the Jets draft a QB high in RD1 as a lot of the resources will go towards that young QB instead of Petty.
     
  13. BamaDoc

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    Big Blocker: I think his words allow for my scenario #2. No sense saying Geno has been passed by Petty as it may lessen his trade value. More importantly, there is a chance that if Fitz doesn't resign that Geno could win the competition. No sense saying your potential starting QB sucks.
     
  14. TurkJetFan

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    I totally agree. Personally, I think the Jets view Petty as a potential #1 down the road, potentially to replace Fitz when the time comes. And he would have been the #2 last year had he been more polished coming out.

    Bryce is going to be the #1 player of interest in this years training camp and preseason. All eyes will be on him.
     
  15. Big Blocker

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    If for some reason Fitz does not re-sign, you heard here there is NO WAY the Jets do not make a move at Qb to make sure Smith does not go into camp as the presumed front runner.
     
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    100%. I expect the Jets to aggressively try to re-sign Fitz before free agency opens. If they fail, I expect them to make a run at RG3 or explore trade options. I'll leave the names I have on my mind out, to avoid a controversy.
     
  17. Big Blocker

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    THis is my view, as to what the Macc quote and other info on the Jets' interest in Qb's in the draft are saying. Plus adding in my view that Smith has character issues. Quite obviously he does.
     
  18. Big Blocker

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    I tend to agree with the redshirt comment. But will Petty get a look, too? I understand your point. But we can't rule out that he will.
     
  19. FJF

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    its going to be a long off season if we are breaking down throw away sentences such as "he can definitely be a quality no.2 backup"
     
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  20. Brandon Moore's Butt

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    Damn the controversy. Who could you see us trading for?
     

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