Check Mike Tannebaums offseason. Traded a 3rd round pick for Kenny Stills Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Take the good with the bad with Mr Mac. Sure there is some bad but 70% good imho Well deserved. No surprise
Why? Just because a team made the playoffs? Every year there's a new team or two that makes the playoffs, but in general, a lot of the same teams are in every season. So a GM who may have made no major moves and who perhaps only re-signed one or a couple of his own FAs and drafted some rookies (who may still be unproven), should get it over a GM who totally turned around the fortunes of his team leading to a 6-game improvement, and who made the major moves that Mac did? Sorry, but that's just totally lacking in logic imo and makes zero sense. Sorry that you don't like Mac. You better start learning to, preparing to be miserable, or looking for a new team, because he's gonna be here a long time.
Check his 2008 additions: Alan Faneca Calvin Pace Brett Favre Damien Woody Ton Richardson Ty Law Kris Jenkins Drafted Gholston (bust), Keller (started TE), and Dwight Lowery 2009 Bart Scott Jim Leonhard Braylon Edwards Drafted Sanchez & Shonn Greene 2010 Lavetanues Coles Santonio Holmes Antonio Cromartie LaDainian Tomlinson Jason Taylor Nick Folk Brodney Pool Then the roster fell apart because we ran out of picks. But you tell me how many future Hall of Famers are on that list that still had gas in the tank. Plenty.
If you seriously think that Tannenbaum was a good GM, then I'm speechless except to say that you need to take a Football 101 class.
holy hell. pump the brakes a little. I like Maccagnan. I'm not a hater I just think all awards shouldn't be given to a non playoff team. Besides its just my opinion that the award should held to a higher standard. Its a stupid award anyway because the results of an executive's work cannot be determined in a year.
He was great at building a quick winner. You can't deny that those might be the most talented rosters we've ever had. We were an Alex Smith/Chad Pennington protect the ball type of quarterback away from dominating at a 13-3 or 14-2 pace over two years. Then everyone was past their prime and dried up old talent and the roster fell apart. How many of the players he acquired were out of the NFL within the next two years after acquiring them? Faneca, Favre, LT, Braylon, etc. Go look at it. I'm just drawing the comparison of old rosters.
Its going to be the drafts that will ultimately prove how good Mac is and if he can be a sizable step above Tannenbaum. Early returns are mixed, Williams looks good, Smith does not so far, Mauldin showed flashes but the rest we know nothing about. 2 things about his first draft, though: While he deserves praise for the Williams pick, I am not sure he deserves TOO much praise. He's not always going to be picking at #6 and he's not always going to be having the consensus top player fall to him. I want to see how he does picking later on in the draft, before I believe he's a genius. However, I will acknowledge that last year's draft was kind of patchwork at the same time. He didn't have HIS guys in to do the scouting and what not. This year's draft it will be interesting to me to see how he does picking in the 20s with his new guys
Sorry, if I misunderstood you regarding Mac. I just don't recall seeing you praise him much, if any, and thinking that he doesn't deserve the award is mind boggling. IMO there is no higher standard than what Mac accomplished this season. A team making the playoffs is meaningless with a rookie GM. That GM could have ridden the coattails of the work and the foundation his predecessor laid down into the playoffs. As I stated in my previous post, no GM whose team is in the playoffs could have made one great or significant move in that season. So that's a higher standard than a GM who makes a couple of great trades, does a great job with the cap, overhauls his team, creates a 6 game turnaround and has his team on the brink of the playoffs? Seriously? Having to give the award to a GM whose team is in the playoffs is as dumb as players making the Pro Bowl because of their play in previous seasons. You can't award an award for work done within the previous year, when the work has been done over the previous two or more years, but little or none done that year. That makes zero sense. I'm sorry that you can't see that your reasoning is flawed, but hey, you're entitled to have whatever opinion you want. We'll just have to agree to disagree. You have a point with your last statement, but in the case of Mac this past season, you don't. The work he did in one offseason is simply nothing short of amazing. I seriously doubt that few other GMs would have been able to come close to improving the team as much as Mac did.
Yes, but building a quick winner, is not the way to build a football team. Even if you win, you lose. You go from SB winner to laughingstock within a year or two. That's nuts. The only sane way to build a team is to build one that can be competitive over the long haul. Basically, the only thing that Tanny did was to sign the FAs because he had the cap space, and he often created that cap space with stupid moves like restructuring older players whose play were in decline and kicking the cap pain down the road. If he hadn't had the cap space to sign those players, the Jets could just as easily have been 0-16 teams. Mac made two brilliant trades to acquire Marshall and Fitz, and resisted the temptation to trade up (except for Petty in the 4th round) or reach for players.
I agree that it will be the drafts that ultimately determine how good Mac is. I was disappointed in how things went with Smith. I preferred Lockett because of his return skills. Supposedly, the Jets were going to take Lockett, but then traded down when he was taken before they could get him. Smith could still develop, or he could be one of those "jinxed" players in the NFL. Still, I don't think one can fault Mac too much for the pick. The Jets needed a WR with deep speed. Smith supposedly had the best skills at tracking the ball (which is important with a weaker-armed QB and the NE winds), good hands, and I don't think ever had injury issues in college. The only knock was that he needed to learn other routes. He can be faulted for not working to learn develop those on his own in college, but the lion's share of that blame goes to Urban Meyer and his staff. Your other points are not only fair, but spot on and I agree.
So true or false: Tannenbaum built a contender in two years that almost went to the Superbowl. I didn't say he was a superb GM, because good GM's build sustainable success. I said he built a winner real quick.
You can be sick of it all you want but that was a direct quote from both Mac and Bowles in relation to how they view the CB position and how important it is to Bowles scheme. This isn't some crazy conception brought on by some delusional fan base, these are facts by the guys who are actually steering that ship for the NYJ. The Eagles comparison is hog wash, its not even remotely similar to our situation. There was a ton of shade going on in that organization, that's not what is going on with the NYJ. The GM, The Coach, The Circumstances. None of it is comparable. Mac could absolutely suck after his first year as GM. I doubt it, I look at his approach and I am extremely impressed with him. Extremely. However, this thread and this award has nothing to do with the future. It's about him winning this award and he deserved it based on the success he had and the impact he had for this team in what just happened to be his first year in the job. Usually we as fans keep waiting, hoping, these guys will finally out it together, that they will eventually figure it out. Screaming - THIS YEAR, WILL FINALLY BE THE YEAR!!! Yet, with Mac, he comes in year one and does a great job. We didn't have to wait 2-3 years hoping for results, it just happened. For once, it just worked from the start. Should we be praising that, in hopes that maybe, just maybe, we have a valid reason to feel hope in the fact that we may just have the right guy for the job... Finally!?
Tannenbaum never really understood talent, in pro free agency, or in the draft. He built a team of vets, signing them with terrible contracts, went all in and it backfired big time. He did not have a long term vision, he never ran this team with the future in mind and it showed with the players he brought in, the moves he made, and the contracts he handed out. It lead to us depth depleted and we were placed in cap hell. Nothing that Mac has done thus far suggests any of the same things happening. Literally nothing. So I don't get this comparison either.
It's true, but you know what they say about "almost." The thread context is about being a good GM, not building a quick contender. That's why I don't think the two belong in the same conversation, but different strokes for different folks, I guess.
Excellent post! It's sad, but I guess at least some of us Jets fans just don't know how to react to positive news or success or can't process it because it's the Jets and something good just can't be true. It has to be a mirage. We've been disappointed, let down, and felt betrayed so often, I guess it's some kind of defense mechanism to protect our hearts from being made a fool of yet again. (Fool me once, fool me twice...)
Is it consider a backfiring move if he brought home the Lombardi? Because he was damn close. Nothing Maccagnan has done has signified that he isn't Tannenbaum either. Tannenbaum didn't come in in 2006 and start back loading contracts and trading away draft picks. He did it when he saw the Superbowl window open. Everyone LOVED what he did his first two years. I'm sure you did. Everyone has revisionist history like Tanny jacked up everyone's contract immediately. If you remember the Jets went 10-6 after Tannenbaum was named GM following yup a 4-12 season. The team went 4-12 in 2007 and then Tannenbaum hit the draft lottery in Revis and David Harris, and he flipped towards selling out to build a quick contender. All I'm saying is keep an open mind to the fact that this team has cycled it's leadership over the past 15 years. It's been the best era of Jets football in spite of the up and down momentum from 2000-2010. Every time we get a head coaching change and front office changes its been pretty successful. Herm, Mangini and Rex all made the playoffs in their first year. We'll see.
Will you stop with this "some Jet fans bullshit?" I'm pretty much the only one putting points against you. Debate the point or stop whining that someone's playing devils advocate against what you believe is true. It's backhanded and insulting.
