Looks Like You DON'T Have To Wait Three Years to Judge a Draft

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  1. Br4d

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    The Jets need a FS who has some speed at this point. All the guys they've tried to play in the deep middle, including Pryor, are 4.58-4.67 type guys. You need some closing speed at FS.

    Amaro looks good. Not game-breaking good but defense-stretching good in that if you don't cover him he's going to get catches in the intermediate game and move the chains. Dustin Keller catching 25% more balls would have been a very good TE. That's where Amaro looks to be headed.

    Absolutely true. The Jets can still get 5 or 6 good players out of the 2014 draft. If Milliner comes back and stays healthy they can still have 3 or 4 good players out of 2013. The Jets need to do a better job of taking players who are ready to play in the NFL. Too many position switches. Too many picks that are designed to fit into an amorphous talent base.

    The 2013 draft included: Geno Smith - read option QB with many adjustments to make beyond talent level, Brian Winters - small school LT making the move to LG, Oday Aboushi - big school LT making the move to OG, William Campbell - big school DT making the move to OL.

    The 2014 draft included: Calvin Pryor - guided missile making the adjustment to FS and ultimately probably SS (not a bad pick btw despite early stumbles), Jace Amaro - slot TE making the adjustment to in-line TE (and now back to the slot where he is good), Jalen Saunders - special teams pick that went bad due to nerves, Dakota Dozier - small school LT making the adjustment to OG (this was a good pick, hopefully the Jets get lucky), Jeremiah George - slow, undersized LB, hard to see what Jets thought they were getting with this pick, IK Enemkpali - tweener, too small to play DE, too stiff and slow to play LB, Jets liked his football instincts and passion for the game no doubt but he's small and slow, Tahj Boyd - Rex pick.

    You have to get more people who are actually players in the first year or two out of the draft than the Jets have done recently. Using the off-season to try to convert players from position to position is just giving up valuable preparation time for what will be a horrific first year for most players in the NFL.

    Some franchises have a specific position group that they build the team around and they convert players to fit their exact mold. The Steelers and LB's are a perfect example. They mostly draft college DE's to play OLB. They mostly draft OLB's to play ILB. They spend a solid year converting these guys from the position they played in college to the new position in the pros. They get away with this because they are deep at LB and they make the pick a year or two early. They get away with this because nobody knows LB's better than the Steelers FO and defensive staff. They get away with this because they almost never force a rookie onto the field.

    The Jets do this with college tackles to guards all the time but they don't have a track record of making it work, leading one to believe that the FO and offensive staff doesn't understand guard talent as well as the Steelers understand LB's. They often have holes at guard due to previous failures at doing this or veteran retirements. They often force the rookie to play even when he is not adjusting well. LG has been a sinkhole for the Jets for at least half the seasons since Parcells left town as a result of all of the above.
     
  2. SienaSaints

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    That's a very good point there. I was thinking they need to get better at finding solid players late in the draft, and your point on position switches make sense. They've had too many late round projects.
     
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  3. Greenday4537

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    Prior to acquiring Harvin, our offense didn't have the necessary power for anyone but a good QB to make anything happen. Our defense still would have had tons of injuries. Our o-line still would have sucked for as long as it did. We still would have had only one good WR on the team and that isn't enough.

    Vick is average at best at this point in his career. He could not have changed this team from what we are now to a playoff team. That's ridiculous.
     
  4. pdxdrew

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    Thank God the Pats are on that list! And any Pats fan that replies to this. Suck my ----- .
     
  5. Turbocharged23

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    Saunders got picked up by the Saints to replace Cooks. Idzik doomed either way bc if he does well then why did we cut him and if he does poorly, why did we draft him. LOL
     
  6. Red Menace

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    Or the coaching staff could actually be the problem, because they have no clue how to use the players..... Just a thought, not being critical.

    Honestly I really don't worry about a 4th round pick.

    The pick that bothered me was the 3rd rounder they used on a CB when Martavias Bryant was the last of the good receivers still left.
     
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  7. Jonathan_Vilma

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    It just seems really nitpicky to criticize the corner selection over a wide receiver at that point especially when all offseason especially after taking Amaro in the 2nd everyone was pretty confident in our receiving core at least falling into the middle of the pack in the NFL.

    I'm not defending Idzik really but I do think McDougle is going to be a good player in this league if he can stay healthy. It's it ashame that we couldn't have waiting on him for at least another round he most likely would've dropped to and taken a Bryant at the same time as him. But hindsight puts everyone in the position that we should've taken X player over Z when 90% of this board over the offseason discussed whether corner was okay or not.
     
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    In other news Dex McDougle is running again, so he'll likely be good to go for offseason training and all that crap.

    Out of all our draftees he's got me the most curious, I'd laugh if he churned out a good 3-4 picks next year and looked the part.
     
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  9. Red Menace

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    Honestly I wanted them to take a receiver in the 2nd round, some poster killed me for it, but every highly touted WR went in the 2 and 3rd round.

    Don't get me wrong, I like the Amaro pick, and agree with your thoughts on mcdougle. I just thought they were going to continue the selection of skilled offensive position players.
     
  10. Jonathan_Vilma

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    Believe me I understand the sentiment of wanting a receiver and in all honesty I wanted one in round one. Kerley in the slot with Decker and one of the first round wide outs on the other side and I wanted that to be Marqise Lee who turned out to have the most disappointing rookie season of all the receivers taken.
     

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