Little ESPN Article on Sanchez, and Henne(AFCE Rank)

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  1. la2miami

    la2miami New Member

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    He has won big games in the NFL, maybe you forgot when he led that game winning drive on Monday Night Football against the rival Jets. Or maybe you just don't want to remember it.

    Yea, 3 game winning drives in 12 games is not bad AT ALL. I guess that doesn't count though since it doesn't feed your argument, right?

    As for the last part, you couldn't have made a more generic comment. You are basically saying you have NO IDEA why they lost and said something vague and broad so as to not look like a fool. Clap it up for quality posts.
     
  2. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    A game in early October is not a big game. Big games are played in dec and January and so far he hasn't won any.

    Stop w/ the childish insults, it makes your weak arguments look even weaker. I get it that you have nothing to come back at me w/ so you need to insult me but please try and stick to the topic.
     
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    The Dolphins pass d sucked last year. Got burned too many times. The OL is generally great but it got his bad with injuries which is why I said it was made of swiss cheese. That's why Justin Smiley is probably going to be release due to durability concerns. I expect the Dolphins OL to be even better this year with Incognito and Jerry being added. And yes Ginn is not a star. I was being facetious. Henne didn't have a lot of firepower at receiver. When Ted Ginn Jr is your only deep threat you are in trouble. I think the Dolphins are an improved team and good enough to try and make the playoffs. We'll see on the field how right I am.
     
  4. ajetsfan4ever

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    just make sure to come back here when you dont make the playoffs again!
     
  5. la2miami

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    With a retort like that, this argument is clearly exhausted.
     
  6. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    your running backs won that game. Don't get it twisted.

    And then Ted Ginn won the 2nd one.
     
  7. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Generally an argument ends when one side cannot presetn a valid argument. When you have something to present let me know. When a person tells us a big game happens in week 5 and they think that game is bigger than the last 3 weeks of the season when Miami had destiny in their own hands then we know the argument is in trouble.
     
  8. Ziggie97

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    I'm a dolphin fan and i agree with that article 100%.

    Henne may have had a better year statistically, but that means squat.

    Sanchez lead his team to the AFC Championship, almost to the superbowl. Sanchez came in his rookie year in the media capital of the world being anoited the starter, and still played well despite all that pressure. He did it as a rookie. He also did it with below average wr's (just like Henne).

    Say what you want about cotch, but hes not a #1. Braylon came midseason and had no time to develop any chemistry with the guy.

    As far as who's better, we can all agree its very early to determine, and alot can change, but right now, I give the nod to Sanchez.
     
  9. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Thank you for the objective viewpoint.

    I consider Cotchery, while not your classic #1, to be the type of #2 that could elevate a solid duo of receivers to elite staus with the right QB. Cotchery has hands of glue and superior concentration, and body awareness that Jets fans got used to with Wayne Chrebet. He bailed Sanchez out of a number of jams in 2009 on some very bad throws, where Braylon Edwards was content to let the ball bounce off his own facemask.

    Does Cotchery have elite physical ability or size? Certainly not, but sometimes, when you have the right guy across from you, you don't need it. Cotchery was one of the unsung heroes of the Jets in 2009, and I am not surprised that a rival fan doesn't get that, because you guys don't pay as close attention to this team as we do. But the guy is gold, he's a class act, and because he's a classic possession receiver that complements dynamic receivers well, he's also a bargain.

    As far as Henne v. Sanchez... I was high on Mark Sanchez in the post-season and in the early part of the season, but I had no idea what to think of him during the meat and potatoes of 2009 because Brian Schottenheimer mismanaged his development to the point that Rex had to come in and play kindergarten games to keep him from giving the ball to the opposing team. He showed me flashes here and there during that time, and then showed me more in the post-season.

    Henne, I didn't get to see a lot of, except when it was the Dolphins beating the Jets, and he frustrated me enough to know that I think he has a bright future in this league. Which sucks. He has a rifle for an arm and when he has some time, he can pick you apart in crunch time, or so I saw in limited exposure. He also had his difficulties in 2009, and from what I understand, those difficulties came during a critical part of the season, which I doubt was his fault.

    The Dolphins-Jets rivalry is coming back to something like it was 2 decades ago, and while I hate the fucking Dolphins, it brings back a kind of feeling of nostalgia that I have been missing since the Cheatriots stepped it up at the turn of the millennium. This is something to be excited for by both Jets and Dolphins fans, I think.
     
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  10. la2miami

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    20 of 26, 214 yards and most importantly the game winning drive where he made 2 crucial first downs. The running game was very effective but guess who had to step up for us to win that game? Henne


    and nyjunc, I really said the match up in week 5 was bigger than the last 3 weeks of the season? you are just making stuff up, now. please don't put words in my mouth. we get it, you have no argument, just drop it.
     
  11. Pam

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    Awesome post! And I really missed the rivalry between the 2 teams too. I just had a dear friend pass away that was a die hard Miami fan, we had a beer bet every game they played for the past 30 years.
     
  12. Jtuds

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    Fixed your post.
     
  13. abyzmul

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    :eek:hmy: Sorry about your friend, Pam.
     
  15. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    He was excellent on that Monday Night but our D was off balance b/c of the wildcat.


    You said our games were big games, real big games were the ones late in the year when the playoffs were on the line. If you think the Jets and pats games were true big games you must think they were bigger than the last 3 games.

    The bottom line is while division games are bigger than regular games unnless postseason is on the line it's not a true big game like a late Dec/january game is. You can crow about winning "big games" against us and NE but when the season was over you were under .500 and watching the playoffs.
     
  16. MikeHoncho

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    Wasn't that Henne's first start? Yes he played well, but he took the Jets D by surprise, plus it was Pace's first game back and the D was out of sync. Obviously the Fins O with Pennington is far different than with Henne. What happened in the 2nd game once the Jets had film on Henne and knew what they were dealing with? I believe they were held to 104 net yards.

    I agree with junc.. the Dolphins had a chance to grab a playoff spot. And yes, the Dolhpins D did and probably will continue to suck a fat one and gave up a ton of points. But fairly or not, the QB gets the blame, and Henne didn't pull out wins when they needed them at the end.
     
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    Thanks. :)

    He hated the JETS as much as I hate the Dolphins :beer:
     
  18. la2miami

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    slippery slope.
     
  19. Jets n Boys

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    Game 1:
    Sanchez 12/24 172 yards 1 TD
    His starters were Braylon and Clowney since Cotch only played the first 4 or 5 downs. It was Braylons first game as a Jet since he had joined in about 3 days earlier to that. He caught a TD, but also dropped a 51 yarder in the endzone where he was open but there was a pass interference anyways.

    Henne: 20/26 245 yards 2 TDs
    Henne's numbers were inflated by a 59-yard dump off to Ricky.

    Conclusion: When your #1 WR is injured, and your #2 WR has only seen your offense for 3 days, you can't expect too much from the offense. Add to the fact that Lito and Strickland were also injured and you lose your D as well.


    Game 2:
    Sanchez 20/35, 265 yards 2 TDs + one rushing TD
    He had the team with in 3 points, until an illegal shift nullified a 2 pt conversion. As a result, on the following drive, Jets had to get a TD to erase a 5 pt differential, and were around the 20 yard line when it was 4th and 13. Sanchez threw an incompletion that ended the game. If there was no penalty, Jets would've kicked a short FG and sent the game in to OT.

    Henne 12/21, 112 yards 1 TD. That TD wasn't supposed to be there. Ricky fumbled couple plays before that but Jets didn't have enough time to challenge it. Henne and his Dolphins won't be getting 3 non offensive TDs again to bail em out.
     
  20. F.I.N.S

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    lol. Too Funny.
     

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