After a solid first three games in Carolina, Sam reverted to the QB who was mostly below average for us. Was he really ruined?
His supporting cast got injured. It seems that everyone insisting that Zachs poor performance should be excused give Sam a really high standard. They are both young players but only one of them started this season with three wins.
When rebuilding, no GM rebuilds by focusing on one position group, then another, etc. especially when you have more holes than answers on your roster. You have to try to spread the love around. With the horrible shape the roster was in, with no core players to build around, it takes longer, and especially when you change HC and CSs and schemes. You also don't judge drafts based on their rookie season, so it's ridiculous to even be talking about whether JD has rebuilt anything of worth. It's nowhere near a finished product, and they're still in the midst of the rebuild. The time to judge will be in 2-3 years.
Sam isn't going to be successful. That ship has sailed, and Zach is not going to fail. You can book on that. And with regards to your second post? Seriously? You're still hanging your hat on Sam? You lose all credibility with nonsense like that!
Well Sam hasn't been successful after all, probably not much of a shock tbh. Maybe it is time for folks to ask how hard he worked on his own game ie like Allen obviously did.
One of these players has been in the league four seasons now and his new team dropped him for Cam Newton ffs
Darnold absolutely sucks. I can’t believe there’s still any discussion that he might make it? His best hope is to pull a rabbit out of his ass type of season like Case Keenum did with a loaded roster in Minnesota or maybe a strange gun slinging fuck it Year like the one Derek Anderson had when he went to the Pro Bowl.
He has entered the world of the backup QB, somebody that is capable of doing something excellent, he is capable of smart plays and nobody will moan too much when the 3 pick Sam pops up on occasion. He could still make some good money for very little work over the next 5-10 years, hell, he may even have a career season like McCown did for us that one time lol
JD should be under a lot of pressure. This is 3 straight losing seasons. Did the team improve this year? Yes, of course, despite some key injuries (including the 3 guys who were probably considered our 3 best players). However, we can't be okay with winning 4 games next year. That win total needs to about double to spark confidence from the fan base. This is the reality, however fair or not to JD/Saleh. I think they're the right duo to turn things around but we're all tired of losing.
The reason it has to be much better than the last two years is that nobody needs 3 years of terrible product on the field to build a team. Once you get to two years of terrible there is blood in the water all around the team. A third year most likely just indicates that the GM/HC are not capable of better than what you're seeing on the field. It doesn't matter how many years you give that combo, they're not going to improve enough to keep their jobs.
I agree in a vacuum, we're not that talented. However, we had an objectively far more talented team this year than the year before with Gase, yet the team barely improved. Saleh is a bad coach.
Dude. C’moooooon. The Bengals have been a gutter franchise for most of their franchise history. They went 17 years with one winning season. The entire organization was different when they finally fired Marvin Lewis after three consecutive losing seasons. There is no “culture” in Cincinnati that has a winning vibe. They struck gold with an elite quarterback and built around him very quickly. Something they fucked up the last time they struck gold when they drafted Carson Palmer.
The truth of this JD debate is somewhere in the middle. When your predecessor as GM was Maccagnan you're going to be inheriting a worse roster than almost any new GM ever since Mac was THAT shitty as a GM. Having said that, rebuilds do not take long in the NFL if you do them right. JD has potentially whiffed on Becton and the AVT trade up means we're looking at OL with an early pick yet again when we shouldn't even have to think about the OL at this point. JD slow-playing the guard market in FA has also contributed to that. JD saying over and over he's going to build through the trenches means he's a dinosaur. It's an antiquated philosophy.
I don't think we can say JD ruined Sam. He didn't help him but if Sam was actually "ruined", it was a Jets team effort. The team we sent him out with year two was a joke, and that o-line was a disgrace for the first half of the season. Mac failed him bigtime. Gase's complex Peyton Manning gameplans, with no clue how to develop a young QB, didn't exactly help. The players around him frequently played below their talent level, and many were below average to begin with. I don't know if Sam was technically ruined or if he just was what he was. But if he was ruined it was because of Jets. Not just one person.
If Darnold was truly destined to be a great quarterback in the NFL, he’ll end up with an Alex Smith career. Darnold had it rough, but very few had it as rough as Smith, who may have had a HOF career if a franchise like Saints with Payton or the Steelers with Cowher and then Tomlin took him.
I totally disagree. Obviously, you're forgetting what a shit roster we had. Any expectation that JD could fix that in an offseason or two was/is totally unrealistic, especially when we had a coaching and scheme change in the middle of that. The only pressure JD should be under is from himself. It's not JD's fault or problem that many Jets fans have unrealistic expectations because they're tired of the incompetence of previous Jets' GMs and HCs, and the incompetence of the owners.
You c'mon. Once Marvin Lewis was hired, between 2003 and 2018, they went to the playoffs 7 times, and 5 years straight from 2011 - 2015. During that same period, the Jets went to the playoffs 4 times, but have never been to the playoffs 5 years straight in their entire history. The Bengals have been to the SB twice, the Jets once. During that 2003 - 2018 time period, the Bengals had six losing seasons, the Jets had 8. Their owner has been notoriously cheap, but I'm not aware of his ever hiring a buffoon, being a three-ring circus, or the Bengals having an infamous play like the butt fumble or having a lateral intercepted and run back for a TD. The Bengals have had some bad years, but imo they've never been looked at by most fans on the same level as the Jets and the Lions.
I think you’re forgetting the Bungles era that existed up until they drafted Carson Palmer. Regardless, there is no winning culture in Cincinnati. There’s a happy to get into the playoff sometimes culture. No different than the rest of the gutter franchises. Maybe a slight level above. But their success from 2011-2015 with an entirely different roster and coaching staff is irrelevant to what they’re doing in 2021, which is the point you were trying to make.
