Is even that true? in the 13 games Darnold played where was the offense ranked? I also disagree that the defense played "lights out" unless you have a different definition of what that means. We watched Lamar Jackson throw 5 TDs on that Defense and he didn't even break a sweat
It was a tough call because Gase probably could've scaled everything back and ran some dummy offense to play it safe but it wouldn't have helped with evaluation and development Early in the year when the offensive line was in shambles, Robby Anderson running the wrong route half the time, QBs, TEs and WRs off the street, it would've been easier for Gase to line up 1980s style, give the ball to Bell 30+ times off tackle with the occasional one read pass play and lost 17-10. He could've called a drive ending in a punt a "good thing" and given Darnold a dummy wristband telling him exactly when and where to throw it. But he didn't do any of that. And lesser minds think he's the one who doesn't know the game. Id rather lose swinging myself and that's what he did. OH and they went 6-2 down the stretch so maybe there was actually some development.
The Bears and Pats put up 38 and 45 points respectively on the 2010 Jets who were the third ranked defense in the league. It happens. The fact that Gregg Williams coached a group of misfits to the 7th ranked defense in the league is incredible. Why was he able to do it with guys off the street? I'm pretty sure Manish posted the numbers with and without Darnold and there was a minimal difference. I can't find it because he's since blocked me like a loser.
That could be due to Gase's play calling or how he used/didn't use players, but I suspect it may be due to the supposed fact that Gase's offense is complex and tough to learn. It may just be that those 4 players weren't cerebral enough, at least in a football sense, to succeed in Gase's offense. Of course, one could make the point that perhaps Gase should have switched to a simpler offense, but I can understand why he wouldn't. He believes in his system. He may have thought that Miami was his only shot to prove that he had a good offensive system. If so, I can understand his wanting to stick with his system, but get players who could play/succeed in his system. That said, if I were in his shoes, I would rather succeed and win games with someone else's system, or a dumbed-down system, than lose with my system that required players with certain mental abilities that my team didn't have.
Why do you hope it was Douglas? IMO that would be worse. If Douglas was the problem, then he's probably the problem with Adams, and even as good as he is at FA and seemingly the draft, he probably isn't going to work out as our GM. I would rather have Douglas succeed and Gase fail/be the culprit than Gase succeed and Douglas fail.
This is all of the belief that the way the Osemele situation was handled, was wrong. I think it was handled in the right way. Which means if it was Douglas, good on him. Osemele is a fuckin asshat and what he did was horseshit.
Osemele also liked going to restaurants. https://www.newyorkjets.com/video/off-the-clock-eating-dumplings-with-kelechi-osemele
@Falco21 has largely said it. It was essentially a contract thing. Osemele dogging it, claiming injury (whether he was or not injured) to maximise the amount he could earn from the Jets for the minimum effort. That's Douglas territory. He has to stamp out this perception that the Jets are where old pros go to get a final windfall with minimal effort. He appears to be making that effort so I'm good with it. Gase may or may not have been involved with the decision, he may or may not be an asshole, but if he's demanding his players give 100% and not treat the Jets like a milk cow then I'm good with that too.
I still believe in Bell if used right. My internal jury is still out on whether Gase is the HC to do that as I've not put much stock in our offense over the last few years due to the personnel being used. With Sam developing, a better line (on paper), Bell in the backfield plus the usual Greg Williams defense - I'm hoping we can get more then the 'gimme' wins and make a challenge. On the other side of the coin - I look at our division and think that we might be in for a tough ride.
Not for nothing, but Gase has a track record of running backs performing very well under his offense: 2016 - Jay Ajayi - 1272 yards 2017 - Jay Ajayi and Kenyan Drake (shared carries) combined for 1109 yards 2018 - Frank Gore and Kenyan Drake (shared carries) combined for 1257 yards Which also falls in the face of Gase designing horrible plays for Bell.
Perspective... 2016 - 9th in rushing yards 2017 - 29th in rushing yards 2018 - 18th in rushing yards So compared to the rest of the league he was very good, horrible and rebounded to below average. Also if I was trying to point out that Gase has a good running gameplan I wouldn’t mention the fact that he had Drake share carries with Frank Gore.
Crazy right? It would be even crazier to share a backfield with Kenyan Drake and David Johnson. Oh, wait...... Wouldn't it even be crazier if Gase coached Kenyan Drake to the 3rd highest YPA in the NFL in 2017?
Yikes.... 2018 Dolphins (16 games): Gore - 156 carries Drake - 120 carries 2019 Cardinals post trade (8 games): Drake - 123 carries Johnson - 17 carries And in just eight games with the Cardinals where he was “sharing“ the backfield as you and only you claim, he had a career high in touchdowns, a career high in yards per game and his second highest yards per attempt (higher than his “top 3” Y/A under Gase in 2017). Also ran the ball more times in eight games than he did in 16 games with the Dolphins. How are you found a way to claim the two situations were equal, I will never know.
Not sure how any of this translates to Gase's ability to coach a running back You continue to throw blame at Gase because you have made up your mind and have ZERO intention of ever seeing the guy succeed. You ignore the massive amount of injuries on the roster. You ignore the horrendous play of the offensive line. But then when it is pointed out, you claim it all had a factor, but Gase did too. You just can not accept that fully analyzing Gase as a play caller requires a healthy-somewhat healthy roster and a better offensive line. Anyone who has followed football for longer than 2 years knows that the offensive and defensive line are paramount in a teams success. If the line can not block rushers, Darnold can not complete passes and the running game does not develop. It's a trickle down effect that translates back up the chain to the Head Coach. Gase has a difficult offense that has shown glimpses of being great. Scoring on almost every first drive was a remarkable thing to witness. The problem is, he lost EVERYONE on his offense to injuries. You can continue to preach that he called a draw on 3rd and 100, but that is a moot point in the grand argument of the problem. We get it, you hate Gase and you refuse to accept that he is largely not at fault for the shortcomings in his first season. Your mind is made up.
and OK, thanks. That makes sense. I agree, that if Osemele was dogging it as you both suggest, then it was handled correctly. If it wasn't handled correctly, then I would still rather it be Gase who screwed up instead of Douglas. Of course, I would rather both be blame free, and all the fault lie with Osemele. I hadn't heard that angle before, and to my knowledge, he wasn't that type of player before signing with the Jets. He was a devastating blocker and hard worker, at least until he got injured with the Raiders. Maybe he decided to just mail it in after that. That's disappointing, because I had always liked him as a player, but again, better that than the Jets mishandling the situation.
There was a lot of reporting that the Jets evaluated him for an injury that he claimed to have but were unable to agree with his claims. Not to mention, the injury he had was not something that was season ending, but he went against the Jets doctors and ownership and had the surgery on his own. The entire situation was ridiculous. If one thing proves it was more on his end then Douglas/Gase, notice how there has been ZERO word of it since. He was cut and his agent claimed they would file a grievance with the NFL and guys like Mehta were chomping at the bit to claim the Jets need to be investigated for their injury practices. Nothing since.
This is just stupid. I said on the first page that having Gase discussions on this website is pointless and this is proof. You rattled off a bunch of numbers with no context, I provided context and instead of responding to what I said you made up something out of thin air which I then provided the ACTUAL stats for. And your response? Make it all about me with your strawmen and insults. The routine is old. I root for the Jets. I will always root for their success. Last year when people were whining to tank, I was in favor of winning so it's really stupid that you pretend I root for Gase to fail. The truth is I have a different opinion and you don't like it. That's fine but you don't have to make shit up and then lecture me on things I already know and have acknowledged when you're presented with the facts.
You refuse to acknowledge facts and continue your rampage against Gase at every turn you get. The only fact you continue to point out is statistic based, which is why I brought up the total yardage on the running backs under Gase. So was I wrong to claim that Drake ran in a backfield by committee with Johnson? Yeah, sure. But that still does not discount the fact that under Gase he continued to have a running game that produced over a thousand yards every year. In fact, never having a dominant back, he produced numbers incredibly similar to the numbers that coaches like BB produced. You continously point to his past with Miami as a failure and claim that there is no evidence to show he can be a good head coach. When the evidence is provided to you, you jump at it claiming they are excuses and always point back to numbers. Gase took a horrible team in Miami and created a winning season his first year. He lost his starting QB and had to then attempt to win with backups including Jay Cutler and Matt Moore. He then gets his starting QB back who throws for 17 TD and 9 INT with a 93 rating but again, gets hurt and has to deal with Brock Osweiler. He signs with the Jets and in his first year as the Head Coach implementing an entirely new system, he loses Sam Darnold, Quincy Enunwa, Chris Herndon, Ryan Kalil, Brian Winters, Brent Qvale, Trevor Siemian, Avery Williamson, Blake Cashma, C.J. Mosley, and Trumaine Johnson. He has to run a team with half of a starting squad including a third string backup QB while trying to implement his offensive system and win games. Even dispite ALL of that, he manages to win 6 of the final 8 games with Darnold. Darnold finished with almost 2k yards, 13 TD, 4 INT, and a 95 rating in those final 8 games. Even with one of the league's most shitty offensive line. Yet your argument remains that Gase is an asshole, lost guys in the locker rooom, and calls a draw on 3rd and 100.
Bell got my vote. I personally like his candor towards Gase and I hope this year Gase hits it out of the ball park offensively.
I think Gase's play calling will look much better if the o-line can give us a better running game. The OL made Gase, Sam, Bell, all look bad. I believe the offense goes as the OL goes. Better OL PLAY= BETTER BELL, SAM & YES, EVEN GASE. Those second & 9 downs will be second & 6 the third & 7 will be third & 2.
