Using that logic, everyone on the Steelers' winning Superbowl teams should be in the Hall of Fame. Edit: Hell, their long snapper should be in the Hall of Fame. He has two rings!
Isn't 2nd all time to himself? I know he's thrown for at least 350 in every SB he's played in. One great play by the Pitt D or this game has a completely different tone and the Cards probably win going away.
Warner's nickname should be coattails. You'd be hard pressed to find a QB that's consistently had the unbelievable amount of talent on offense that Warner has had for the majority of his career.
I'm curious were Issac Bruce and Tory Holt Pro-Bowlers before he got there? As far as I'm concerned he made them the great players they are. How about the great talent he had on the Giants? The same could be said of Joe Montana, he had the greatest WR ever to play the game the 1st RB to have 1000 yards rushing and receiving throw in a great OL. Troy Aikman... hey the best OL in the history of the NFL, the all time leading rusher and a HOF WR.
Bruce had 3000+ receiving yards over 2 years with Chris Miller and Tony Banks throwing to him so I'd say he was pretty well established before Warner got there. Holt was good enough that he made Marc Bulger look like a competent QB after Warner left. The Giants was the only place where Warner didn't have amazing offensive talent, and suprise suprise, he sucked. Just like he did his first two years in Arizona, even with Boldin and Fitz. I guess they had to mature a little bit before they could carry the old man on their backs, especially with Arizona's lack of a running game.
The difference is with Warner; Bruce and Holt went from good to elite. As for the Giants he wasn't awful until he got injured and he also battled those injuries early with the Cardinals. He had a pretty serious thumb injury that would have prevented him from being as good as he was in the past.
How do you figure? As I said Bruce was already elite before Warner got there. Holt was drafted when Warner was the QB and was elite after he left.
Or the previously mentioned Tony Banks or Chris Miller? They won what 3 games the year before Warner got there. With all that elite talent they surely should have at least been a playoff team.
They were 24th in the league in points allowed in 98 and 4th in 99. Or does Kurt Warners faith transform defenses as well? Their offensive boost also might've had a little something to do with adding Marshall Faulk, the guy was OK. They went from 28th in rushing YPA to 2nd and I think he also caught a few passes.
That doesn't change the fact that 90% of great NFL QB's have had great players around them. I look at Washington, they have a solid running game, some decent WR's not elite but good and they have no QB so they can't win it all. What I would have given to have a guy like Kurt Warner throwing the ball to guys like Walker and Toon with a good RB like Freeman. It's easy to say Warner road the coat tails but somebody needs to throw the ball to those guys. It doesn't throw itself. Maybe he was fortunate to have great talent around him but so did alot of other HOF QBs.
Warner has a hell of an arm. His big con is his fumbleitis. He is still a HOF QB. And I think he has at least 3 years left in the tank.
The reason I think he belongs is that he went to the Super Bowl three times and performed very well three times. Most passing yards in Super Bowl history. Second best completion percentage of all-time, fourth best passer rating.
If Warner was a Jet he would have had 22 fumbles and we'd be trying to run him out of town. Luckily for him, he's not a Jet, and yeah I'd like to see him in the HOF.
No one is saying the guy sucks, he obviously has talent to be able to accomplish what he has. He's also been extremely fortunate in that every place he's landed(with the exception of the 1 year with the Giants) has had amazing talent on the offensive side of the ball. Look at a guy like Jeff George and what he did in Minnesota when he had Carter and Moss for a year. If he would've had that caliber of talent around him his whole career I don't have any doubt that he would've put up "Hall of Fame" numbers but that doesn't make him a HOF QB in my book. Maybe my standards are too high for the football HOF, especially with the ridiculous quota they have ensuring that tons of undeserving players make it in.
There is no QB in history that has gone to three SBs and not in the hall. Of course he belongs and of course he will go. On top on that he has the three biggest passing days in SB history. He's a first year shoe in.
