I'm talking big picture. Cousins at best turns us into the Bengals. I want better than that. I don't want to settle for a team that's just pretty good, but never good enough to make noise in the playoffs.
First of, you need to get your ducks in a row before trying to make your opinions into fact. I don't like or dislike a player of of what I think Wash likes it doesn't. The Skins suck, have for years. What those morons think would never say my thinking. Who the f are the skins? Funny how the skins after shelling out top dollar for Cousins now don't think he's special, after he let it known he's leaving. Again, you're planning on a flop, I'm not. Why do I think chances are that a draft pick will fail? Ugh, because Cousins is already a top 10 QB. Who do you know as fact will be as good? How many drafted QBs have gotten there? How many haven't? Then ask why. The rest, the he doesn't elevate nonsense is just that. Nonsense. Cliches that fans cling to. Luck elevates the Colt players? Rivers the Charger players? People said Peyton made his WRs. Decker was a product of Manning's talent. He was the same player with the rookie Geno as the year before. Nice story, doesn't really play out. You're more afraid of failing than of trying to get better.
youre not acknowledging that there are two sides to signing a contact. the skins did think he was worth a significant investment and made cousins several offers that would have made him one of the highest paid QBs in the league. cousins chose not to sign those deals ... all that noise coming from the FO and coaching staff is just butt hurt damage control everyone knows hes not an elite qb. why do you care that hes going to be paid like one? you claim others havent dont their research, but you should look at how much cap room we have the next three years. cousins deal wouldnt make a dent hes also a meticulous game planner and would be an awesome influence on a qb drafted in 2018. (signing cousins should not preclude us from drafting a qb). if that draft pick is ready in three years, then cousins could be dealt when hes 33 like kc just did with smith i dont understand how people see this signing negatively
only jet fans would want to miss out on the possibility of landing a pro bowl QB. they all talk shit about woody and mac and bowles but if the general fans from here were in charge of the team we'd be 0-16 every year
I'm going on record to say that many of the folks here that want Mac to sign Cousins so desperately and at any cost, will be the first to turn in a NY minute if Cousins fails to deliver big time. Mac will be crucified and trashed much like he is for the Revis and Mo moves. Cant begin to tell you have many posts I read here back in the day clamoring for both to be resigned. "Come on Mac, take care of your home grown boys, and don't let that cheap shit Johnson screw our better players... blah, blah, blah, and all the BS that went with it" In hind sight everyone is a genius starting with that dip shit Metha now being stroked by someone in the Jets organization for the same general moves. Ill say do what is right for the team Mac and screw what the fans and the media think. You will be either heralded or shit upon based on the results no matter what. So stick to the plan of building thru the draft. For sure great football minds seem to thrive with the no guts no glory approach. BB IMO, is a master in the art of letting players go right before the end of their most useful life and sure as hell doesn't mortgage the farm to get any one player. He does what is best for the team. At this point I don't give two fucks about Mac's mistake with Hack or not. That happens to every GM and HC. I trust they know how to continue to select talent thru the draft and the risks that go with it. For Gods sake keep pressing on drafting a QB until we find our own. At six we don't know what QB we can get as is very dependent on the early picks, but we need to give it every effort, even at the cost of a move up if we are absolutely convinced on "the one guy". If that fails so be it, that happens more often than not, and you are not investing $100M plus for a guy that might take you 80% of the way. Screw that. At the end of the day, what the fans like us think don't mean a damned thing. Taking chances when necessary, sticking to a build from within plan till we get lucky and get the FQB of our dreams is the only way forward. This year some of the QB candidates seem to have that "it" we all been waiting for since time memorial. So lets just stop compromising and go for the throat. We might not get a chance like this again.
First off, you're assuming that Cousins isn't a FQB. So you're implying that it's a defeatist attitude because you've already pegged Cousins as not being the answer or mediocre. I disagree with that wholeheartedly. Furthermore, look at the Jets history at drafting QB's. You don't need to go back far to see the disasters that are Petty and Hackenberg. Cousins is a proven commodity. None of these guys in the draft are. Nor is the Jets FO when it comes to finding a QB through the draft. I'll take Cousins over the uncertainty of the other option any day.
I'm assuming no such thing. I think he's a very good QB, and probably is a FQB. He's just not a great or elite QB, and shouldn't be paid as if he is one. Most importantly, he only gives the Jets a short 5 year window, tops to win. Your attitude is the defeatist one because you don't think Mac will draft the right QB and the Jets won't develop him. I'm not as cynical and negative as you. I think the Jets have an excellent chance to get a great FQB prospect in the draft, and with Bates as OC, they have a much better chance of developing him, and building the offense to suit his talent/skills. I see Cousins as an impediment to the Jets finally achieving sustainable success and reaching greatness. I'm not willing to settle for pretty good or better mediocrity.
But you're willing to settle for Bryce Petty and Christian Hackenberg? The same guy who picked those two disasters is still making the picks this year. So if you think Cousins is very good and a FQB then why the hell don't you think he's good enough for the Jets? Also 5 years is not a short window by any standard. You give the right leadership 5 years and they can build a solid foundation for that franchise for many years. You act as if Jets brass are these QB whisperers and have a great grasp on who to select and how to develop that player. Quite the contrary as anyone in their right mind would have reservations about Mac being able to draft the right QB. He picked two absolute busts at that position so far. Sometimes you need to put grandiose ideas aside and go with the sure steady thing that just keeps producing.
No, i'm not willing to settle for them. Bryce Petty was a 4th round pick by a novice GM who was having to use the scouting dept hired by the GM before his predecessor. Mac had his own scouting dept. when he drafted Hack, just made the mistake of falling in love with a QBs football IQ on a whiteboard, but who couldn't execute on the playing field. Hopefully, he learned from that. Even if he didn't, if he swings and misses on a QB in the draft, most likely he and Bowles will be gone, and that will be a HUGE plus. That QB won't hurt the cap, and won't hurt the team that much unless Mac has to use a number of high picks trading up to get him. It will still hurt, but just join the legacy of all the other blown 1st and 2nd round picks. Conversely, if he signs Cousins and his play deteriorates overnight or if he suffers a career-ending injury the Jets are screwed capwise for 4-5 years. No quality GM or HC candidate would want to come in and have an older vet QB who was ineffective or done, yet the Jets be stuck with him on the cap for the forseeable future. With a rookie QB that his predecessor drafted, that GM and HC would have no obligation to him. If they thought he could be salvaged, then they'd look great, but if not they could drop him on the depth chart until they could trade him or cut him with a minimal cap hit, and they could draft their own QB. The other issue is that Cousins might play just well enough to get the Jets to 7-9 or 9-7, but not good enough to get them anywhere in the playoffs. That would probably insure keeping Bowles and Mac around, but even if not, the new GM and HC would be stuck with Cousins, whereas if Mac had drafted a QB and he flopped starting his rookie season, or Mac had brought McCown back and he was awful, the Jets would be drafting top 5 and have a real shot for the new GM and HC to get the QB they wanted.
No we wouldn't be. We blew more money on Mo and Revis than Cousins would cost. If we're going to spend money, I'd rather spend it on someone who gives us a chance to be contenders.
If he is trying to compare Cousins to the top 50% , and tries to reason that Cousins is no better than the list he conjured up, it's meaningless because it's impossible to know, except for Jim G what the market will demand for those players as they are not FA's. Better to compare to Smith or Keenum because this is what is out there for the Jets to decide if it's worth the $$. Would I rather have Jim G.? Absolutely, but it's not going to happen for the Jets. He's staying a 49'er, unless of course he has pie in the sky ideas about what his asking price is. Unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you look at, there's stiff competition for the Jets to sign Cousins. I don't see Mac breaking the bank for him.
That's not necessarily true. I'd say it's more likely that Denver trades the #5 to a team that needs a QB, and if Macc doesn't figure out a way to trade up higher than that, the Jets are screwed. I can very easily seeing this happen.
You're probably right, and I'd say the majority of Jets fans would be happy with that...for now. But then they would be become "spoiled" by that little success and demand more, except it won't be forthcoming as the team deteriorates, just like it did after the 2nd Rex run. Building a consistent winner requires a team philosophy beyond "We want to win". And it takes acquiring the players (and coaches) that support that philosophy. Once you have that established you can replace almost any of the pieces and keep winning, with the sole exception of the QB who is the embodiment of that philosophy, like Brady is to the Pats. THAT'S the kind of winning team I want.
Taking a shot at catching lighting in a bottle with a 2nd round draft pick and going after a possible back up QB in the 4th isn't the same as picking a starting QB with the 6th overall pick.
This is a point can not be stressed enough. I'd argue under current CBA rules a Cousins deal presents a bigger risk of setting the franchise back several years than drafting a QB in the 1st. A Cousins deal means a HUGE percentage of our cap tied to this 1 guy, long term w/ years of GUARANTEED money. If he doesn't pan out, we're pretty much f*cked for the life of the contract. Whiffing on a 1st round QB no longer carry that same risk thanks to the rookie pay scale. Browns have been whiffing on 1st round QBs now for the better part of a decade. Depending on how FA unfolds the Broncos may draft a QB in the 1st just 2 years removed from drafting one. Cousins just reeks of SOJ. Tell me if you've read the following book before. After coming off a year where we did better than expected against a somewhat weak schedule, we think our roster is better than it actually is. So we proceed to splurge our cap money on late in their prime FAs. This buys a a year or two of unsustainable success before the bottom falls out and everyone is fired. Wash, rinse and repeat.
I agree that staying at #6 is too risky. It's not just about teams below us not needing QBs, it's about them resisting to let another team trade with them, when it will be extremely worthwhile for them. If the Giants/Colts/Broncos/ don't want to draft a QB, any one of them (or all of them) could trade with another team looking for a QB. You almost have to trade up here.
Tell us where you've read this book before? The actual book, not the one you wrote. The one without the easy schedule, the one where he's played well, equally well actually, all 3 seasons he's started. And if you think the roster he had last season, with all of its injuries was more talented than we think you're really making it up as you go along.
What will qualify Cousins as "not working out"? His numbers are pretty consistent and I think we can expect the same numbers if he's in Bates' Shanahan type offense. 4K yards and a 2x TD:INT ratio. This is the type of QB that can throw in a game the Jets are behind and win. As much as I want Rosen or Darnold (and possibly Mayfield), I just don't see this type of production from any of them within 2 years. That's not to say these prospects won't eclipse Cousins but the Jets will not be in a position in the draft to get these players. The bigger gamble here would be not attempting to sign Cousins and go into the draft hoping a guy falls to you. Let's face it, if a guy starts to fall, there are many other teams with equal or better assets in their bank to move up ahead of the Jets or provide a better offer to the team trading out. Also, Gettleman was just saying drafting the wrong QB sets a franchise back 5 years . If the Cousins contract is 5 years (which I'm assuming it will be) and "it doesn't work out", it's par for the course.
